Even though they're not supposed to shoot at anything a guest could still kill a robot and take it's guns and start shooting guests. I mean really. And why can't a guest kill another guest with a sword in Medieval or Roman world? Something's fishy with the security around there. And do people have to pay $1000 a day to be in jail at Weatworld. Law suits I tell ya'!
shareGood point about the swords, but as for the guns, I think it wouldn't be realistic if the robot shot, missed, and nothing behind you got broken. You know what I mean? If the robots just had blanks, it wouldn't be nearly as much fun. The real problem, as I see it, is ricochets. Someone could get very hurt that way.
I also think that there were very few people in the resorts, maybe 30 or so, so that each guest could basically have a computer operator assigned to them full time and standing by to make sure he has a good time. For example, the Medieval World guy, someone was watching him to make sure he scored with the "pleasure model" and make sure that he had his big encounter with the Black Knight. That guy would have to get fired.
But I think you have to take the whole movie with a big grain of salt. This movie is about the big idea - technology gone wrong at an amusement park. Why would you need a whole week there anyway? There's about 4 things to do - get drunk, go whoring (which could probably both be done in one night), knock off the bank, and knock off the stagecoach.
As for lawsuits, what about the bar fight? That would be pretty painful. Think about it - they were knocked cold until dawn. I'm sure they would make them sign all kinds of waivers before going to the park anyway. That must be in one of them deleted scenes on the DVD.
Were they knocked out? I thought they just got drunk and fell asleep.
shareNo. A paintball or airsoft type gun could break cheap glass or flimsy prop furniture in the room for effect.
The plot supplies no good reason for the use of lethal ammunition. None.
ha! you just made have the strangest thought: Fantasy Island was a pretty good show in this regard-- they supplied a genuine virtuality with no consequences (at least none that were negative) and didn't make any particular technology the lynch-pin of the premise.
"Ugh! I don't like this." --Ambrose Bierce
believe it or not,vacation and taking off the stress in a couple of days is not enough for people. THe nervous system works in a way where several times, and that is also why 2 week vacations in our world are much more popular than 1 week vacations,because 1 week in Spain or Turkey or Greece or Egypt,is not enough,even if they just want to stay at the beach etc. People are tired from work,they need a couple of weeks to distance themselves from their tedious and stressful life.
People can always leave sooner,but I would love to stay for a few weeks in the Roman world. :) And none of the 4 things you described even interest me,minus maybe an experiment in sex with a robot. They were drunk,so they passed out,lol.Had they not drank so much they would not have lost consciousness.This happens when super drunk,and they were,it was shown. Your body enters deep sleep and you just sleep wherever you are once out.
Just curious,what job are you working at? or how old are you ? I mean,few days at that resort is too little for someone who is tired from work,be it mentally,physicallity or pscychologically.
Almost no one takes 2 week vacations. They can't afford them, and can't miss that much work. 1 week vacations are the norm.
shareIn Denmark we are expected to take at least two weeks, preferably three weeks, of vacation during the summer period.
We have at least 5 weeks of paid holiday. Most people have more.
So why do the Robots have real guns? In case a robot wants to take out another robot in a fight, maybe. Awesome movie, not so sure about the remake.
shareWell, the swords would be programmed not to stab anything warm--only something cold, like a machine. And as for the chairs smashed over people's heads in the bar fight, well, they were robot chairs, and unable to damage anything warm--only something cold, like a machine.
Actually it seems crazy that there are real guns in Westworld at all. You would think there would be too much risk of one of them malfunctioning, or maybe a bullet might ricochet off a surface and hit a guest accidentally--all sorts of things could happen. The film is not without gaps in logic (BIG ones!), but it still works pretty well as a fantasy. And of course, the story is that the park is really not safe at all, despite all their efforts to make it safe. Because of that theme, I can cut them some slack on the little details.
Yeah good point - here in the Health & Safety Asylum that is the U.K there is absolutely no way real guns would be given to anybody - guest or robot . The HSE fascists over here would probably ban the robots from walking around too !
Personally I think some sort of non lethal projectile should be used , something that really really hurts humans but no permanent damage , but causes some sort of explosive bloody wound reaction in the robots skin or clothing . That way you can still shoot bottles off a gate etc . And other guests ! (evil cackle)
That which does not Kill me makes me Stranger . . .
yeah the moment they explain the "it cant hit anything warm" i though there would defiantelyl be a guesst that would specifically attempt a ricoshet to hit real people.
this film had a lot of gaps in its logic, and thats why it only got 6/10 from me. sure you can create a fantasy world, but at least have itnernal logic so it wouldnt fall apart the moment we deviate from the plot.
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Actually it seems crazy that there are real guns in Westworld at all. You would think there would be too much risk of one of them malfunctioning, or maybe a bullet might ricochet off a surface and hit a guest accidentally--all sorts of things could happen.
The logic in the movie really doesn't hold together at all, and I think that counts as a flaw.
Suspending disbelief is great for some stuff, but logic is logic. It'd be one thing if somewhere in the film the viewer is told that the swords magically disintegrate if one guest tries to strike another guest, or, y'know, any crazy thing that would prevent a guest from killing another guest.
But it's a whole 'nother thing if we're just told that the guns don't work when pointed at something that's warm, and it's left to our imagination how on earth something similar might work for a sword, or a fist, or a chair. That, to me, seems like a logical problem.
This isn't a disbelief-suspension issue--it's a major flaw in the movie.
There are just too many ways for a guest to get hurt. Other posters have pointed out how difficult it would be to avoid hurting real people in that bar fight. And someone else pointed out the possibility of richocheting bullets hitting people.
But I give the movie a pass. It's entertaining.
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I totally agree with you Spurlin. If you start asking too many question about this film it obviously won't make much sense from many points of view.
For those who wondered about swords and daggers in the Roman World... I got the impression that that world was almost exclusively for having sex and enjoy a more libertine way of living (mostly for bored middle-aged people)... and even if they had an amphiteatre for violent games they would have employed robots against only 1 human a time (that is if the guest wanted to partecipate and not just enjoy the show as spectators).
The medieval world would also be not as dangerous as you think. It's not like the Westworld with bar fights and robberies. It seemed like it was the robots to cast challanges to the guests anyway, probably any duel between guests would have been discouraged by the operators.
Of the three worlds, Westworld to me seems the only real danger for obvious reasons. Although the guests surely saw each other in the hovercraft and would not purposefully seek to harm each other... you could still get a chair smashed on your back breaking some bone, a piece of glass in your eye, a ricocheting bullet etc...
Probably that $1000 entrance ticket was mostly to cover for insurance, the ticket itself was perhaps $150 and the rest insurance cover. In a real situation it would be like that.
PS being in jail at westworld was part of the game. They got out soon enough didn't they? and become outlaws... people would pay for that kind of fun.
Yeah, I agree Spurlin, you just have to go along with this. I just showed this to my 12-year-old daughter, and that was her reaction, too: "There's no way you could guarantee everyone's safety." Between ricocheting bullets, and the bar fight, and who know what else, someone would get pretty damned injured. I told her to stop being so logical, turn off her brain, sit back, and enjoy.
I want the doctor to take your picture so I can look at you from inside as well.
Because the execs and technicians running the place were arrogant enough to think nothing would go wrong. That was at least part of the point I thought.
Seriously, have you people never ever seen or read anything by Crichton before? The arrogance of people in the face of new technology is pretty much all he ever wrote about.
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True; Crichton used the same themes over and over. Kind of a hack writer, really; his character development consisted of small expository essays upon introduction of a character; and none of his stories hold up to logical scrutiny. (And somehow he got a deal whereby his mediocre science fiction was marketed as mainstream books, not in the sf/fantasy ghetto.)
In the movie, when guests are being shuttled from the hovercraft to the equipping rooms, a recorded orientation repeatedly tells them "Nothing can go wrong." I don't think it's a good idea for any service industry company to ever say that. (Of course, these are people who design an underground control center with electric doors that seal them in to suffocate if there's a power failure.)
"The truth 24 times a second."
Of course, these are people who design an underground control center with electric doors that seal them in to suffocate if there's a power failure.
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They're also people who thought that there was such a thing as a "safe" way to mix drunken idiots on their vacations and live ammunition."
What weird phrases exist in this mad world.. "live ammunition" - like that isn't an oxymoron. Ammunition doesn't 'live', it destroys life, it murders.
Of course there IS a safe way to do that. No working guns, for example. There's not much you can do with just ammunition.
Also, you could pack the ammunition in some kind of solid led casing or something.
No way a drunk idiot could ever get a solid piece of led open.
Of course, it would be pretty boring that way, but it proves that if you use your imagination, you can realize that many things are indeed possible, like mixing drunken idiots and 'live ammunition'.
I wouldn't be worried about the guns, I'd be more worried about real bullets in the hands of a superhumanly fast robot with infrared vision and the hearing of a bat.. :)
Come to think of it: I'd be a lot more worried about other guests than about the robots going berzerk. How long before the first bored a$$hole decides to live out his psycho-fantasies, suits up with all the guns and ammo he can find and simply starts shooting at everything that moves? Sort of like what you do in a GTA-game when you get bored.
I'd also be more worried about the apparent lack of training/familiarization of the guests with their toys. Perhaps this was something that happened off screen, but I seriously doubt it. The Benjamin-character doesn't even know about the heat-sensors on the guns - something they'd sureley tell you about during a "how to not shoot off your own foot"-training-session. And the be-spectacled wanna-be sheriff strikes me as the sort who never even held a gun in his entire life. Yup.. those are the kind of people you want around you, carrying loaded firearms.
And when you look at it this way, medieval and roman world are even more frightening than Westworld. As pointed out in this thread: How do you program a sword? And how do you stop guests from simply cutting down/stabbing/slashing/dismembering everything in sight (including humans) with theirs?
Even if you could somehow guarantee that such a killing-frenzy would not endanger other guests, how would you clean up the place and repair everything for the next day in one single night? Maintenance would be a nightmare... :D
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So it can seem like a real life environment and the so called "Robots" can stage a shootout themselves and you can join in if you want without having to worry about getting shot. The real question is, "What about the ricochet???"
shareThe robots don't have real guns. Towards the end when the Gunslinger tries to shoot Peter the battery in his gun goes dead.
And you wanna know the worst part? You're from outta state!
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That scene never made any sense. Was the warning light referring to his gun being empty (robots can't count shots fired?), or did it mean that his malfunctioning "heat sensor" safety's battery was dead, which made the gun inoperable? (Why wasn't it fully charged before he was activated that day?) Speaking of the latter, why in the world would the heat sensor malfunction in the first place? It was a small unit, independent of the robots themselves. Why interface it with the main computer?
It would have been far more interesting to begin the chase sequence this way: Richard Benjamin and James Brolin walk down the street. Yul Brynner yells, "Hold it!" James Brolin takes up the challenge, but instead of being shot, he pulls out his gun and blazes away at Yul Brynner. Something is different, though: this time Yul doesn't play dead. Instead, he walks up to Brolin, grabs him by the shirt collar with one hand, smiles, and then punches him so hard his neck snaps. He drops Brolin's limp form, turns to Richard Benjamin and says "Your move!" instead of "Draw!"
Richard runs to the stable, selects a live horse (it having been explained earlier that real horses were available for experienced riders, and robots for the newbies), and takes off. Yul follows, also riding a live horse. I would have left the canyon sequence intact, since it appeared that Yul was trying to flush Richard out into the open instead of trying to hit him. (Even with a fully functioning sensor, the Winchester could still be made to fire when aimed very close to Richard.)
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And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
For some reason I always thought that battery indicator on the gun simply indicated that the robot's batteries were low (not the gun batteries... which wouldn't make sense as you pointed out). I could be totally wrong though, I haven't seen the movie in a long time
shareI assumed the guns batteries started running out when the main power was switched off and the only reason the gunslinger kept going was because of his equipment upgrades the previous day.
shareThat scene never made any sense. Was the warning light referring to his gun being empty (robots can't count shots fired?), or did it mean that his malfunctioning "heat sensor" safety's battery was dead, which made the gun inoperable? (Why wasn't it fully charged before he was activated that day?) Speaking of the latter, why in the world would the heat sensor malfunction in the first place? It was a small unit, independent of the robots themselves. Why interface it with the main computer?