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The Exorcist deserved Best Picture Oscar.


this doesn't hold up well.

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I have the opposite opinion, but then I've always enjoyed period pieces and think they hold up better than contemporary stories.

The Exorcist was an absolute revelation when it hit the theaters. Everybody was talking about that movie for months, the special effects being no small part of the phenomenon.

It's a fascinating story that holds up well, but half the film *was* special effects, a lot of the film was the shock and gore, and admiration for movies based on special effects are the most fleeting IMO.

Today, we see lots of movies with the SFX, the shock, and the gore of The Exorcist, which is why The Sting holds up better in my eyes.



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If you think the Exorcist is just a horror film then you really missed the point. It's much deeper than that but so many people just see a horror film. It's about losing faith and being lost in oneself and the desire for redemption. The horror is mostly secondary to the real central theme which is Father Karris' crisis.

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I didn't say The Exorcist was just a horror film, in fact, I didn't use the word at all. Read my third paragraph again. In any case, the story itself, while fascinating, was still secondary to the shock value of the special effects.



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I don't see anything wrong with being called a horror film. A horror film can be just deep as any other genre.

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I love both films. They are two of my favourites so to me it doesn't matter which one won the Oscar.

I disagree about this not holding up well. I see it from time to time and I get as much fun and enjoyment from it as I do the previous time. It might not have as much going on as The Exorcist on a thematic level, it's a fairly simple story, but it's made very watchable thanks to the music, acting and storytelling. It's always entertaining to watch the build up to the 'big con'.

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If a movie year can have a split personality, 1973 was that year -- with "The Sting" and "The Exorcist" opening very close together at Christmastime(back then, Christmas, and not summer, was reserved for the blockbusters). Both films opened huge, stayed huge, and racked up huge blockbuster grosses...well into 1974. They were "the dynamic duo of 1973."

When Elizabeth Taylor opened the "Best Picture" envelope at the Oscars for 1973(in 1974) , she looked at the paper in her hand and said "I'm so glad...The Sting."

I've always felt that "I'm so glad" was a statement from Old Hollywood about how little a lot of them liked The Exorcist...after all, it had all that X passing as R profanity coming from the mouth of a pre-teen girl, along with green pea soup vomit. Many directors had turned The Exorcist down before William Friedkin -- a very nasty human being -- said yes.

The Sting was tougher than it looked -- a movie about crooks (con men who prey on people) taking on other crooks(gangsters) with such described side events as one gangster "getting an ice pick in the eye."

But The Sting felt "classic" -- a work of polished Hollywood craftsmanship, a great script, great ragtime music(that became a surprise radio song hit), unique and filled with surprises right up to the twist ending. Plus a re-teaming of two of the biggest, classiest and most handsome leading men in Hollywood.

William Peter Blatty, the author(book) and screenwriter(movie) of The Exorcist, ungraciously said on the very night of the Oscar aftermath, that his movie deserved to win over The Sting. Who knows?

I don't know...but I personally THINK..The Sting is and was better. More fun. Much better plotted and better written. With better stars.

I still see The Exorcist as a kind of child abuse -- with a side trip into medical horrors before coming back for the religious climax --and director William Friedkin also literally broke the back of star Ellen Burstyn forcing her to do a dangerous stunt.

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I remember seeing both these films when they came out— and I was just 10 years old (such broad-minded parents I had).

But I remember that the Exorcist had so much controversy that it overpowered the film’s ability to win the Oscar.

Over the years, I have watched and rewatched The Sting— and I love it. While I think that the Exorcist is an artful film, I just can’t connect to it in the same way. Also- Until “The silence of the Lambs,” I don’t think ANY horror film won best Picture. If anything, “Rosemary’s Baby” deserved the Oscar and wasn’t even nominated in 1968.

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good point about Rosemary's Baby

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I agree. I don't think The Sting is a great film. The Exorcist would have been a more deserving winner.

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2 of my favorite movies ever!

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What's interesting about this discussion is that it underlines what a spectacular coincidence came down in 1973...two massive blockbusters coming out around the same time (December of 1973; back then, Christmas-time, not summer is when the blockbusters came out) ; BOTH competing for the honor of "highest grossing film of all time"; and EACH totally unique and different , not just from each other but from all other movies out at the time.

I WILL compare that to this modern age in which the blockbusters of a given year are almost all superhero movies , and usually involving the same superheroes over the decades(Batman, Superman, Spider-Man, Iron Man).

And this: The Exorcist and The Sting hit in late 1973, but continued on through 1974 as movies people went to AND as movies which each had a "weird" hit single on "the radio"(then, the place where ALL songs started.) For "The Sting" it was Scott Joplin's turn of the century ragtime tinker-tune "The Entertainer." For "The Exorcist," it was the odd melody of "Tubular Bells." BOTH songs had the distinction of bringing memories of the movie back as you drove in your car.

Quite a year. Quite a pair. They don't make 'em like that anymore -- not at the same time!

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"They don't make 'em like that anymore"

They sure don't, and it's quite sad!

Good point about the music, I was taking piano lessons at the time and "The Entertainer" was a must-learn(and TB turned me into a lifelong Mike Oldfield fan!)

As someone who doesn't do comic book movies, there's really not much out there these days...

I think "The Sting" holds up just fine, one of my favorites for sure ever since I first saw it in the theater; I'm due for a re-watch of "The Exorcist", it's been way too long!

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I've seen it recently for the first time. It's light entertainment. I don't think it's outstanding.

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I think I saw The Sting in the theater way back then and I'm sure I liked it fine.
But I caught it on TV at a much later date and thought it was a little corny and unconvincing as compared to Butch Cassidy.
Same director (George Roy Hill) but with very different tones, imo.
The Sting seemed to be made just for the fun of it.

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I go with The Exorcist as well..The Sting was obviously more palatable entertainment but The Exorcist had some really, really deep and dark moments of shame, failure, sadness, (and ultimately some triumph)with the Father Karras character. The plot is so much more than Regan throwing up and spinning her head. Father Karras questions his faith, and doesn't feel fit enough to do his job as a counselor to other priests. He has nightmares about not being with his mom when she died, plus he sees visions of her as a devil. His whole life is his faith, he's can't leave but feels a failure if he stays. When Regan's mom calls upon Father Karras to help with Regan, he even doubts an exorcism is warranted, especially when the fake holy water burns her/him/it. Karras, still in crisis of faith is devoted enough to ask the church for an Exorcism. The church says yes, but sends a more experienced priest(Father Merrin) to perform the exorcism. Still, Karras supports Father Merrin, and walks into Regan's room with him(until Father Merrin kicks him out). The devil kills Merrin but Father Karras rushes in and forces the devil to possess him instead of Regan, then throws himself out the window, down those crazy steep stairs. Another Father gives the last rites to the dying Karras.

This is what I love about the Exorcist, the sacrifice/confusion/desperation by Regan's mother Chris, the crisis of faith by Father Karras, the hard dogged detective work by Kinderman, the church reluctantly giving permission for the exorcism, the bravery by both Father Karras and Merrin, all for the sake of an innocent young girl who they sacrifice their own life so she can have a long, fulfilling life.

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In hindsight, yes. But back then, you had Redford and Newman against anti-catholicism in a very pro-catholic time period.

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I've seen it recently for the first time. It's light entertainment. I don't think it's outstanding.

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True enough, but I will come to its defense a bit to say that "way back then," it was a light entertainment that still paced The Exorcist for a "super gross" (back then, US domestic counted more than international) -- edging up towards $100 million, i think. Or maybe 80 million.

How did it manage to do THAT?

Well, reuniting Newman and Redford was part of it -- Butch Cassidy had been the Number One box office hit of 1969, so everybody wanted to see Paul and Bob again...and Redford was now a much bigger star(a bit bigger than Newman.)

But Redford and Newman had picked something historic: a really great, unique SCRIPT. Co-Producer Julia Philiips wrote that studio exec Don Simpson got to read the screenplay early for The Sting and said to her "this is the best screenplay I've ever read." Phillips wrote, "and it was the best screenplay I ever WOULD read in decades of reading them."

The Sting was meant to be a "movie for one star only." Hooker was the lead. Nicholson turned the project down (he thought it would be a big hit, but not for his "energies"), Redford took the role and -- with his Butch director George Roy Hill in charge of the movie, Newman asked to read the script and wanted in. They decided that the "supporting role" of Gondorff(intended for Peter Boyle) could be beefed up and given to Newman. And...voila!

Several things made the script unique.

First was the subject matter. I may be wrong, but I believe the concept of "a sting" was unknown in 1973. Now one reads about "FBI stings" and its a given term. But people were curious - "The Sting?" What's a sting?

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Second was watching the plan take shape against Robert Shaw, step by step as we tried to figure out exactly HOW they were going to sting him and get his money. All those steps along the way: The Set-Up, The Tale, The Wire -- marvelously researched stuff...audiences love "the new and different" in a movie story, if it ISN'T something they've seen before...word gets out and more people come.

Third was how, at the end, TWO stings hit at the same time: SHAW got stung, and the AUDIENCE got stung. I can still recall the laughs and cheers and applause.

And then -- people went back to see The Sting again to see HOW they got stung. Repeat business took The Sting to the top.

And oh, that unique script had unique dialogue: "We're going to need the quill."

Newman, Redford, the script AND -- the ragtime music AND George Roy Hill's stylish and stylized direction (with fades and iris shots) "The Sting" was a great big entertainment and a bit nicer that The Exorcist, which put it over the top with older Oscar voters.

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Speaking of The Sting and The Exorcist and the Oscars, this:

In a lucky break for both, The Sting won the Best ORIGINAL Screenplay award(by newbie David S. Ward) and The Exorcist won the Best ADAPTED Screenplay award(William Peter Blatty from his own novel) so they didn't have to compete. I'd say the dialogue in The Exorcist was a bit more clunky ("Its the Disney version of the Ho Chi Minh story") but certainly the story of The Exorcist is unique in its own way, just like The Sting -- "something that no one had seen at the movies before" -- and in such a hard R sickening way.

Blatty was ungracious backstage on Oscar night when it was all over "The Exorcist clearly should have won Best Picture" he said. The debate rages on (as all Oscar debates do, when the world knows the movies) but I like The Sting better. (Director William Friedkin had won for The French Connection two years earlier anyway, and his ego didn't need anymore stroking.)

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