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Swastika at Luna's party?


Does anyone know why Woody dressed that one older guest in a swastika? I think the other guests were dressed in fun-loving futuristic baubles. . .

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I think it was part of Woody's upside-down-world theme throughout the movie. There were many examples of this. Earlier in the movie, his rescuers mentioned that hot fudge and tobacco were "good". Later, he reads from an article that the "Pope's wife gives birth to twins!"

I am not entirely sure, but was the man wearing the swastika also wearing some religious items, perhaps a Jewish tallis (a shawl-like garment with fringes) or some religious neckwear?

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But also note that the swastika was "backwards" just like in antiquity, when it was actually a symbol for good luck. In Hinudism and Buddhism they still use the backward swatika for religious reasons. The nazis corrupted it during the third reich.

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I don't think it matters in Hinduism or Buddhism which direction the hooks (or the swastika) face. It is also worth noting that the Germans, including the Nazis never called it a "swastika." "Swastika" is the name in Sanskrit. The Germans, including the NSDAP (they never referred to themselves as "Nazis," either), called the symbol "hakenkreuz" ("hooked cross").


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Yes, you're right, that's exactly what he was wearing: a Jewish tallis draped over a swastika top. Perfect fashion sense.





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That was, in fact, one of the few funny things about the movie.

I might be too hopeful but I see it as a comment to all the young idiotic people who were t-shirts with the massmurdering stalinist Che Guevara or similar totalitian communist symbols. You know, like the people you see protesting in the streets thinking they are protesting for people in need but in fact their politics are hurting the people in the developing countries more than anything else. Watch this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5633239795464137680

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I believe it is simply there to scream out, "Wow have times ever changed."

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It was because they did not know what it meant. Remember how they ask him to clairify all those artifacts, they were interested and did not know much of the 20th century. The guy just wanted to wear something 20th century. Woody was also trying to show us that it's just a symbol, and that we atach the meaning to it.

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All those people were brain-washed hedonists who seemed incapable of thinking for themselves. They were sort of uber-philistines...who lived in a cultural vacuumn.

It fits the theme of the movie that society under that type of facist government
would be made up of very ignorant conformists.

Information was very tightly controlled by the government.

I knew someone who wanted to wear a wooden cut out necklace in the shape of africa, but had no idea what it was intended to mean.

(Just an example from real life)

That guy with the swastika was a buffoon, who probably thought wearing it was fashionable.

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Re-watched it on TCM the other day. First saw it on ABC back in the 70's. I do NOT remember ever seeing a swastika, reversed or not. Do you think it was edited out for broadcast?

"Well, there it is."

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Sorry, I was unclear. I had seen it (the swastika) on TCM, I was wondering if ABC had edited it years ago, because I did not recall seeing it previously.

"Well, there it is."

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Why would they edit it? It wasn't the Nazi symbol.

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He did it to show that it was far in the future. That character was dressed in a manner that indicated that he was an orthodox jew. So, enough time must have passed in order to the swastika to have lost the association with the German Nazi party.

The swastika symbol predated the Nazis by thousands of years and existed in multiple cultures. There is a library in my home town with swastikas (the vertically aligned kind, like the Hindu version without the dots) molded all around the top of the building.

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The swastika is a joke in 2173, worn by an orb clutching putz.

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According to the Trivia section, that "putz" is played by comedic character actor George Furth. They explain is a bit there.

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This movie must have made a great impression on Prince William.

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Well, look at what kinds of costumes kids wear now: pirates and Vikings? Sure they murdered and raped 100s of years ago, but now they're childhood objects of fantasy.

Just the other day, I was wondering if in the future Nazis will be similarly co-opted as "fun villains."

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Fashion and the ignorance behind it!

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There was a nuclear war and the past had been wiped out. Remnants remained, but no one understood (or cared about) their meanings. The guy wearing it just thought it was a hip design.

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