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Didn't understand this movie - what do you appreciate most about it?


hi...I'm not saying this is a bad movie, or as one poster said boring boring boring. But I am saying that I personally didn't get it from a cinematographic, thematic, narrative, visual, or any other perspective -- except maybe as a fairly simple but also quite rich slice of life of Little Italy in the 1970s.

I haven't read anything about it. I don't know why people do or don't like it. I'm a blank slate, and open to hearing what people who like it appreciate most about it.

Last thing...I thought the acting was quite good, and in some places stellar, but like it may have suffered somewhat from lack of directorial insight...or simply lack of direction? Harvey Keitel was wonderful, as were most of the actors, very seasoned, informal, naturalistic, and DeNiro was electric and fascinating to watch. Still, to me, the acting came up a little short, given what he -- and all of them -- would do in a couple of years with Taxi Driver.

The sets and lighting were great (expept for that one hallway scene where you can see the light with the pink gel of it). But to me---and I know I am very likely missing the point---the plot seemed choppy, shallow, not always very compelling, and a little convoluted, with many threads that don't tie together (and I don't need everything wrapped up neat & tidy in a film, but this seemed like Scorsese may not yet have had the editors or skill himself to make it a bit more cohesive?

So --- what's this movie about? (I'm really not that stupid, but I also don't have a clear idea) Do you see a huge jump in terms of sophistication and skill in every element of filmmaking from this to Taxi Driver?

thanks!

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It's about a guy incapable of making a clear choice. He wants to help Johnny but won't make the personal sacrifice of asking his uncle to help him out of his debt. He wants to be with Theresa but he won't be the bad guy and cut Johnny out of his life or defend Theresa when his uncle insults her. He tries to hedge his bets and play everything down the middle too much so nothing works out.

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One thing I love is the sense of specific place in this film. You feel like you're in their neighborhood -- and this is remarkable, considering that most of the film was shot in Los Angeles. I also got the feeling that the four main male characters had known each other since early childhood, and had grown up together -- and also grown apart.

Charlie is a great character because he is so conflicted. He is pursuing mutually exclusive goals -- he wants to rise in his uncle's organization, but he also wants to remain a good Christian. He wants to help Johnny Boy even though hanging out with him will ruin his career. His desire to help someone who is hopeless leads to his downfall -- and perhaps redemption.

Love the music in the film -- a combo of opera and rock and roll. The acting is superb, a perfect ensemble: De Niro, Keitel, Proval, Romanus all play their respective roles perfectly, but they also interact with each other in a believable, organic way.

Great editing, great camerawork -- consider the film was shot in less than a month, on a tight budget, no major studio backing.

Mean Streets requires more than one viewing to fully appreciate. A lot of plot threads and scenes are thrown at the viewer, with little time to digest their full impact or their place in the mosaic of narrative. There is also arcane discussion of Catholic theology -- such as theory of apostolic succession during a pool game. If you don't know much about such things, that scene won't make a lot of sense. Scorsese doesn't dumb anything down for non-Catholics. Nowadays, films explain everything and nothing is ambiguous.

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'edwardoyle,

That was beautiful.

*tigers love pepper, they hate cinnamon*

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1st of all the story...
Its about a guy trying to live with church morals in the rotten criminal world...
However the thing is you cant really be a moral gangster of god... and *beep* ends up bad with innocent people dying...
The protagonist's church *beep* lead them all to destruction.
He should has either killed Johny Boy or give up on the gangster world... he didnt do neither and his girlfriend got punished for this.

Also the dog works as a metaphor for Johnny....

As for the directing it had Scorcese's touch and classic New York...

Last but not least great performances...

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