Role of male


I'm not a German and thereby probably unqualified to make this observation but watching this film gave me the impression that there was a sense of subjugation of the female in the West German society atleast around the time this film was made. Case in point:

1) Martha's boss proposes marriage to Martha and immediately proposes to Martha's colleage in the library when Martha declines the proposal.
2) The conversation among Martha's friend in the cafe (while having the ice creams?) about the husbands that suggests that these women are also in some way subjugated

In fact, I got the distinct impression that the women even liked being subjugated. Martha decides to marry Helmut even though Helmut almost insults her about her physical appearance.

Is this a sociological reality in Germany of the time? How's it now?

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Ma ny thanks for your response. As a matter of fact I did not find anything out of proportion, hence I'm not quite sure what you meant by "the whole story was pretty exaggerated". I found this film a pretty realistic depiction of woman in a society. I come from India. It's not too difficult for me to imagine the situation in which Martha goes thru. However, I was wondering about the social environment around women in West Germany in the seventies and whether it was a true depiction (without the "exaggerated" parts) of this society. We have an impression of society in west europe that was trully liberated (expecially after the sixties era). Hence it is amazing to see the position of women in such hitherto believed "liberated" society.

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I would definitely like to discuss this aspect. Could you please explain what you meant by "isolation" in the context of this film? My opinion for all it's worth. A director like Fassbinder would probably not depict some isolated aspect of a phenomenon. I don't discount the fact that auteurs sometimes depict deep inner personal turmoils but that is usually done to show us facets of some deeply embedded human psyche which has universal appeal. Hence, I felt, he couldn't have shown the relationship in this film as an isolated phenomenon, in a sense that something that happens behind closed doors as you put it.

I felt that the character of Martha lacked something of a family anchor. She did not seem too disturbed during and immediately after her father's death. Her mother was a secreut alcoholic for 20 years! How could someone be secretive about this for 20 years? Probably her husband knew it. Her life, in the immediate aftermath of her husband's death disintegrates completely. She wanted Martha to be an anchor but Martha drifts away. There is one aspect that comes out very clearly (atleast it seemed to me), that the women did not resent the subjugation by the males. Her librarian colleage seemed to be in seventh heaven at being proposed by her boss. She surely couldn't have been immune to her boss's feelings towards Martha. That didn't stop her from accepting her boss's proposal with ready alacrity. It seemed that, all the women in this film wanted was a marriage, kids, and a happy domestic life. Nothing wrong with that, except that I had different notions about women in West Germany of this period.

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