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I have to be honest and say that I didn't enjoy this film as much as I had hoped. The cinematography is gorgeous to behold and the two child actresses acquit themselves admirably, but I found the film somewhat listless and bereft of emotion. Its intensely symbolic nature, while fascinating in places (the shots of schoolchildren entering the building is perhaps my favorite of the film's many "beehive" metaphors), is unfortunately sometimes a bit heavy-handed (did we REALLY need to see an actual beehive in front of the "honeycomb" window-panes? I don't think so).

Make no mistake, this is not a bad film by any means, just one that I had high expectations for and was a bit disappointed with as a result. I urge anyone with an interest in films about children coming to terms with the grim realities of adulthood to see this film, I just think there are better films addressing similar themes (Rene Clement's Forbidden Games being the very best in my opinion).

I will probably revist this film sometime in the future to see if I missed anything, but I don't think I did...despite the beautiful visuals (this film has some of the most beautiful "magic hour" shots I have seen, short of the work of Terrence Malick), it felt a bit hollow and empty, an example of how meticulously crafted films (NOTHING in this film feels "accidental") sometimes leave something out: spontaneity and the emotional resonance that accompanies it.

Still, see it for the wonderful imagery, then see Forbidden Games to see this kind of concept done flawlessly.

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I'm glad to hear that you might come back to this film because I think there is a lot in it to appreciate. This movie is deep, and i think it will mean, and peopel will derive different things from it. It surpassed my expectations on my first viewing, and I thought it was one of the most original and artistic film I had ever seen.

Aside from being a coming of age story, this film is also a metaphor for anti- Francoist sentiments, and has a lot of symbols and allegory to this end. When i watch this film, I feel like it was made largely to satifsy this idea.

"..actual beehive in front of the "honeycomb" window-panes"

One thing that I noticed (on later viewings) about the beehive you speak of, which i thought was incrediblly interesting, is that it is INSIDE their house. The father, I assume, built it himself, with glass walls so you can observe the bees. The bees come in and out of the house itself through the wire tube that Ana touches and blows on. So symbolism appart, that's pretty cool.

"..an example of how meticulously crafted films (NOTHING in this film feels "accidental") sometimes leave something out: spontaneity and the emotional resonance that accompanies it."

I think the brilliance of this film, the thing that autoatically made me love this film, are the preformances, which I think are very spontaneous at times, especially the kids. The acting is very non-Hollywoody. A lot of the time, the characters, more often one character gets the shot all to him/her self and we watch him/her about 20 second just being themselves, like Isabel and the cat, dad pacing and whistleing, Ana typing. These scenes might not sound exciting, but I appreciate how natural they look, there are motions and expression and gestures that could not have been directed. The scenes of the theatre patrons watching Frankenstein are I believe completely un-directed, it was everyone's honest reactions to a film they've never seen before, at least that's true for Ana Torrent.

"Still, see it for the wonderful imagery, then see Forbidden Games to see this kind of concept done flawlessly."

A great film. But while Spirit of the Beehaive might deal with that similar concept I think it's importtant to remember that it was also meant to be viewed as hidden political commentary of the current regime, this being a main underlying theme in the film. In short, it's about so much more than it's similarities to Forbidden Games.

I gave this film a 10. I asked myself "can I seriously give it anything less than a 10"? And honestly, no, i can't - I couldn't find a single reason or flaw to drop it even to a 9. I really love this movie and everythign about it. But I think there are definetly people who will just not get through it or get enjoyment from it either because of it's pace, story, message. Definetely do not watch this film when tired. Watch it when you are awake and ready to see a brilliant film.

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Honestly, I don't think I was tired...I just don't think I was intellectually "ready" for this film. As watched it I thought to myself "this is either one of the best and most artisic films ever made, or one of the worst". My comment was an attempt to have it both ways...because there was so much about the film that I liked (not to mention that its hard for me to "hate" any film that deals with children in such a mature, adult manner).

I saw this film after a few days of watching some really amazing films back-to-back; including Ballad of a Soldier, Forbidden Games, Umberto D., Ikiru, and Rashomon, all of which affected me powerfully and immediately. This film was different, in many ways it was the film I was mst driven to comment about because I wasn't able to fully discern its genius. In addition, some of the more repetitive symbols (like that honeycomb window pattern) may have added to my negative feelings.

I think what I was almost completely blind to was some of the element you mention regading the film's relationship to the Franco-regime. I caught a few of them (like the father listening to the radio broadcast), but others were handled so subtley that they may have slipped by unnoticed. So much in the film is symbolic, from the mushrooms to the black cat, tht I had difficulty discernng coherent meaning in them. This is my fault rather than the films.

I'm not going to watch this movie again for quite awhile. I think its a film that needs time to marinate. I may buy it at some point simply because I feel it is one of the few films I've seen recently that necessitates multiple viewings. I'm not sure why I thought otherwise (perhaps the seeming simplicity of the film's surface content), but your comments have already done much to change my feelings on this film, and I thank you for that!

Oh, one last thing I forgot to mention: the soundtrack to this film is amazing.

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Glad to offer my thoughts. You're right about movies, especially like this one, that just need to sit in your mind and marinate. I saw Mulholland Dr. in theatres and hated it with a passion. Although i enjoyed most of the film and it's feel, I thought it was pointless, or rather, it was really the ending that ruined it for me because it made no sense to me. But in fact, I just didn't get it and was put off by simply not understanding the film or Lynch's style of not answering questions for the viewer. But, half a year later, without even watching the film again, all of a sudden.. I got it. I rented it and from then on thgouth it was one of the greatest films - i even thought it was the best film to come out that year.

I just caught Ballad of a Soldier on IFC this week. I rented it about a month earlier. I love the human-goodness feel of it, it's goodwill, it's optimism. Like Spirit of the Beehive, Ballad.. surpassed my expectations greatly. I thought Umberto D. was one of the most trully depressing movies I've ever seen.

By the way. I often notice that movies that I don't "get" or fully understand on first viewing end up being my favorite ones. Possibly because there's so much room for finding new things in the work every time you re-watch it.

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"One thing that I noticed (on later viewings) about the beehive you speak of, which i thought was incrediblly interesting, is that it is INSIDE their house. The father, I assume, built it himself, with glass walls so you can observe the bees. The bees come in and out of the house itself through the wire tube that Ana touches and blows on. So symbolism appart, that's pretty cool."

As an aside, The Butterfly Pavilion in Broomfield Colorado (www,butterflies,org) has a very similar setup. They have a big plexiglass hive that comes into the middle of a room, and it is connected to the outdoors via a clear acrylic tube. It is fascinating to watch the bees do their thing. Mesmermizing, like watching tropical fish swim back and forth.

I kind of agree with the first post - it was kind of disappointing at first, but images stuck in my mind, and after a few repeated viewings I find this film incredibly moving as dots become connected. Rather than being like dolphins jumping out of the water, it is like a beautiful whale slowly moving deep below the surface.

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I totally agree with you on that. Usually the movies that you immediately "like" often don't hold up as well on repeat viewings. The first time I saw Apocalypse Now I hated it, because I had just watched Platoon and it was much more accessible on the first viewing. I now greatly prefer Apocalypse Now, and can't believe I EVER preferred Platoon.

The older and more experienced I get, the less likely I am to be disappointed with a film. Thats why The Spirit of the Beehive caught me so off guard, its truly unique and unlike nearly every other film I've seen. The last time I had a similar reaction was during the film The City of Lost Children. Sure enough, it was me who had missed the boat...I was unprepared for the film's visual style and found it off-putting. I now admire the film.

Thanks for your great comments, this is how more IMDb discussions should play out.
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Definetely do not watch this film when tired. Watch it when you are awake and ready to see a brilliant film.


Hey, I watched it when tired, and when wide awake! Both are great :)

The interesting thing about watching it tired is, while you miss most of the political undertones, you do see Ana's perspective much more clearly than when you're awake.

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I read about this in a 'films to see before you die' thing and have had it recorded on my girlfriends Sky+ for a while, finally got to see it last night.

Im not sure what to make of it really. It was very slow and ponderous, there is whole streches with very little dialogue and music is kept to a minimum. Nothing really happens till the end, and even then its not totally clear whats happened. Strange film.

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Oooh, fantastic post, and pretty much exactly how I felt too after watching this. I especially liked your third paragraph and the bit about meticulously crafted films, that is just so damn true.

I know I'm responding to a very old post, but cheers all the same.

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" Its intensely symbolic nature, while fascinating in places (the shots of schoolchildren entering the building is perhaps my favorite of the film's many "beehive" metaphors), is unfortunately sometimes a bit heavy-handed (did we REALLY need to see an actual beehive in front of the "honeycomb" window-panes? I don't think so). "

I think it was necessary, given how the father describes the "sad horror" of the beehive, to establish that he keeps bees, rather than it being a metaphor pulled out of thin air.


It's interesting that you bring up Jeux Interdits, which I agree is an absolute masterpiece and not just one of the best films about children, but one of the best about love and death, period. Like Jeux Interdits, this film isn't solely about childhood, or even mainly about childhood, even if the protagonists are children. While Jeux Interdits is about love and death, this one is, in my view, about coming to terms with the realities of brutalities in the world, most obviously in Ana's case but it's also true of the rest of the family. In the context of war and dictatorship, her parents have retreated into their own private worlds, fairly disconnected from the world around them, especially in the mother's case. They are not of the world of Franco, and choose retreat - but more broadly, the father's intellectual bent has little place in a world that, like the beehive, has no time for anything other than utilitarian concerns (postwar Spain was pretty poor, and Franco's regime was very corrupt - but beyond that, he would not have fit in anywhere obsessed with materialism). Isabel, on the other hand, embraces brutality, as shown in the scene with the cat and in her prank on Ana. She is fully of the world she inhabits and she is better adjusted to it than anyone else in the family. Ana, on the other hand, is sensitive like her father but lacks her father's more stoic temperament or his intellectual bent - in her trying to fathom why Frankenstein's monster killed the little girl, she touches upon the problem of evil, and no one is able to offer any real answers, other than the partisan's execution and Isabel's prank bringing home the reality of brutality. The dubbed narration of Frankenstein more or less offers an attempt at answering, noting the sinfulness of the doctor's actions - in this view, evil arises from disobedience, an explanation that no character even considers (again, an implicit rejection of Franco - let's not forget the quasi-fundamentalist nature of the regime - but it goes much beyond that, it's a rejection of conventional authority as the arbiter of morality, at least when that authority is based on force and violence).
Now, the balance between retreating into a private world because one rejects the brutality of the world one lives in, while remaining functional and grounded in reality, is a delicate one, and Ana seems unable to handle it (ironically, her own problems seem to wake her mother from her stupour). It's not clear if she will recover, and perhaps emulate her father's stoicism, or she will descend into full-blown madness. The latter is at least hinted when the poem is read in class about falling into an abyss, and in the next scene the girls are playing near a well (an obvious and proverbial (there's even the saying "tapar el pozo después del niño ahogado" - covering the well after the child has drowned) danger, although nobody physically falls in).

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