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How the hell is this movie rated 7/10?


Some one seriously how this movie was rated a 7 out of 10? Is this movie not the best martial arts movie ever made?

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Not many come close imo...wondering if somebody thinks there is another from that era that is comparable and recommends viewing -

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I rated it 7/10. The fighting is good, but the rest of it is pretty corny (Schifrin's score doesn't help). The mirror-maze showdown is too long (and dull) in my view (hint: if you ever face your arch-nemesis in a mirror labyrinth, ignore the images and watch the floor). Bruce Lee's handling of the bully by "fighting without fighting" was predictable. Much of the dialogue is silly. Han must've studied 007 films for Big-Bad style/organizational tips: Nehru jacket, remote hideout/base infested with colorfully jump-suited but incompetent minions, sinister prosthetic hand (Dr. No).

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Oooh, the last time I faced my arch nemesis in a hall of mirrors the floor and ceiling were mirrors too...

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In other posts I stress that movies, including martial arts movies, are highly subjective. Some people's idea of masterpiece is another's idea of cornball.

I sat in a movie theater watching "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" and the punks behind me were snickering at the movie. Within a few weeks it was considered a martial arts movie masterpiece.

My personal opinions of ETD are as follows:

1. It is not Bruce Lee's best movie. That distinction goes to Fist of Fury (aka The Chinese Connection), or The Big Boss. ETD's pacing is slow, and it takes 1/3rd of the movie before we see Bruce fly into action.

2. It was then, and now, a B-movie albeit a good B-movie. A B-movie is one that does not have A-list celebrities, low or limited budget, and one that a studio does not put a lot of money behind. ETD was a "sleeper" hit in that no one expected it to do so well. The director, Robert Clouse, was an episodic film director and inexperienced at making feature length movies at the time and they used Hong Kong film crews and techniques (e.g. filming without synched sound) as another budgetary limitation. John Saxon and Ahna Capri were not exactly A-listers.

3. It is considered by some as a low-budget martial arts "rip off" of Dr. No.

4. It has some of Bruce Lee's most unexciting and anticlimactic fight scenes. I suspect this is due to either lack of time or budget to establish complex fight scenes. Most of Lee's fight scenes are far too short unlike the extended fight scenes he has in movies like Fist of Fury, the end of Big Boss, and the famous Chuck Norris battle in Way of the Dragon.

5. Many martial arts movies have surpassed ETD in terms of high octane action, and production value from Jackie Chan's 80's and 90's films, to the period pieces like Hero, to Hollywood movies like The Matrix.

What I do give it credit for...

1. It had Bruce Lee in it whose charisma and intensity is unrivaled. I don't care whether you are Alexander Fu Sheng, Yuen Woo Ping, Sonny Chiba, Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Donnie Yen, Steven Seagal, Chuck Norris,...no one can match the on screen intensity of Bruce Lee. NO ONE.

2. It introduced North America to the martial arts film genre and everyone, White, Black, Yellow, or Red, wanted to be Bruce Lee. Furthermore, I think Bruce Lee would have been okay that other martial arts films would outdo ETD because his own martial arts philosophy was that everything had to evolve for the better.

3. Bruce Lee's high pitched ki-ai, is still used whenever martial arts is parodied in TV or movies. Can James Dean even say he left that much of an impression in modern culture? You don't see a lot of people quoting Dean's, "You're tearing me apart!" But everyone knows whenever someone says in falsetto, "ahhhhhhhyiiiiiii".









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Been a while since I've seen Enter the Dragon (been wanting to re-watch it). Still some of the criticism doesn't seem like something that could prevent the film from being the best of its genre.

I take issue with your 2nd point, though. I don't see where being a "B" movie matters. Nothing written in this point would prevent it from being the best martial arts movie ever made. In my opinion, the best film ever made was a B movie (Bubba Ho-Tep). Budget, A-Listers, etc. doesn't equate to a good movie.


Also...The Matrix? Really? If your #3 knock on this movie was its copy of Dr. No, wouldn't you knock The Matrix for being a big budget knock off of "Dark City"? The difference there....Dark City was really good.

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I hear ya but I'm NOT saying a B-movie is a bad movie. I'm saying that -- strictly from a martial arts genre -- many movies have surpassed it in terms of production quality. This might be due to such factors as the acceptance of foreign movies in the mainstream, to advances in special effects.

I know what you're saying. I prefer watching Mad Max (the original) which was a B-movie to any Fast and Furious entry. I'm sure fans of the F and F series would counter and use my arguments about ETD against me!

Secondly, it was not me who said that ETD was influenced by Dr. No. Alex Ben Block, states that himself in his biography of Lee, The Legend of Bruce Lee (1975). A highly recommended book that I first read when I was about 10 years old! Trust me...my criticism of Bruce lee is accompanied by a lifelong study of him and his movies.

The Matrix? Yes, really! Like ETD, The Matrix introduced many things to mainstream American audiences and successfully put them in a context palatable to the type of people who only go to watch movies at multiplexes! This includes "wire fu" and wushu -- things that you might already have known about if you watched a lot of martial arts movies on video, or at your local art house movie. Also The Matrix was the Star Wars for generation X. It not only was a great martial arts movie but an awesome sci-fi movie which made people question the "red pill" vs "blue pill". That impact also makes it a great movie.

Unlike ETD, The Matrix was a full-blown big budget movie with high production costs and major backing.

Is The Matrix (or any of the other martial arts movies I mentioned) better than ETD? Well, that's totally subjective, yes? It's like asking which is better: pizza or burgers? Depends on who you ask. Like I said, a B-movie does not mean it is a bad movie. It only means that it is at a disadvantage compared to a big budget movie in terms that big budget movies don't have to compromise as much as a low budget movie. That's an unavoidable fact. Ask any indy movie maker.

However, objectively I'm saying that other martial arts movies have surpassed ETD in terms of sophistication. That also goes part and parcel to the sophistication of movie audiences who do not mind reading subtitles rather than listening to ridiculous (and rather offensive) dubbing.

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Everything you say is true, but you left something out. This low-budget, truncated B-movie PUT THE MARTIAL ARTS GENRE ON THE FUCKING MAP in the USA and handed Chinese men their balls back. Dragon was, and is, a cultural phenomenon, the equivalent of what Deep Throat did for the Adult industry. As such, Dragon is the most important martial arts film
ever, and cannot be supplanted.

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Wiseau's "You're tearing me apart!" (Lisa!) was better.

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The best of it's era, no doubt. Way ahead of it's time, as far as quality, and free flowing action. Look at action films after that through the 70's and early 80's, and you'd think they were made before Enter the Dragon..But, Best Ever? nope...in ensuing 40 years, there have been some great films, which stand on the shoulders of Enter the Dragon. Also, I think it's difficult to say BEST, in the martial arts realm, when there are so many different styles, even just out of Hong Kong. Drunken Master, Drunken Master II, Prodigal Sun, Millionaires Express, Wu Xia, SPL, Flash Point, Special ID, The Grandmaster, Ip Man, Ong Bak, The Raid, Dragons Forever. and the list goes on. That being said, Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Yuen Biao, Don Wilson, JC VanDamme, Donnie Yen, Panna Rittigrai and Tony Jaa Panum, ALL readily admit to being Bruce Lee fans, and take inspiration from his work. I had lunch with Bruce's widow, Linda Lee Caldwell in early October, and she still gets letters, emails, etc (via the Bruce Lee Foundation), saying what an inspiration Bruce was in their lives, interest and training in martial arts, etc.

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It's really, really not. There are a bunch better than it. But still, 7 is too low.

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I think this movie should at least enter the 250 IMDB list.
This movie should be preserved. It's a real classic and oozes with its own style. From the 70's camera recordings, to clothing, comic characters, great soundtrack, classy lines, natural martial arts scenes and Bruce Lee's charisma.
Just like The Matrix.

"The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering" - Bruce Lee

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It's really, really not. There are a bunch better than it. But still, 7 is too low.


Like what?

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7/10 my ass!!! This is the best TOTAL martial arts ever!

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This film is already in the National Film Registry as being "Culturally and artistically significant". So it sits in a fallout proof time capsule with Wells' "Citizen Kane", Bergmen's "The Seventh Seal" and "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

The second it hits public domain you know Criterion will do the DVD.

(it should still be rated higher)

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This film is already in the National Film Registry as being "Culturally and artistically significant". So it sits in a fallout proof time capsule with Wells' "Citizen Kane", Bergmen's "The Seventh Seal" and "Raiders of the Lost Ark".


I love this film but "culturally significant" doesn't equal a great movie.. it means this movie made a great cultural impact and it did, it was the movie that propelled Bruce Lee to his highest level of stardom and considered his 'breakout' movie as far as American audiences are concerned.

Without this movie Bruce Lee wouldn't likely be a household name in America today, that makes it culturally significant. That does NOT mean that the filmmaking is on par with an Orson Welles or Steven Spielberg film however.

or maybe not, lol http://www.amazon.com/Horror-Rock-Stories-Hendrix-ebook/dp/B004HFRKLG

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Popularity and greatness do not always go hand-in-hand (look at the current list of top 10 grossing films and tell me all of them deserve their spot) but in this case I think that the popularity helps. I won't say it's the best martial arts film, but it is the most well-known. I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed it.

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This movie's all about Bruce Lee and Lalo Schifrin, take away the awesome martial arts and excellent musical score and what you're mostly left with is a cheesy James Bond rip off.. if Bruce had stayed alive I think this would've gone on to be considered as one of his lesser films, supposedly Bruce himself wasn't even happy with it

or maybe not, lol http://www.amazon.com/Horror-Rock-Stories-Hendrix-ebook/dp/B004HFRKLG

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Bruce said this looks like the film that would get him fame in america, so I think he was probably at least moderately happy with it. If he had finished The Game of Death though, that would of outweighed Enter The Dragon,

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You've got to give them a break. They were trying to break into America as someone said. Still this is a "culturally significant" film. I was a youngster when it came out and I can tell you that it had a hell of an impact on me and my friends. Although I wouldn't argue that it is a bit of a cult classic. Makes you wonder what Lee could have done if he hadn't have died. A real shame.

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nope, not even close. If you take off the retro-glasses, it's just schlock with a well-known martial artist, sorry ;)

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I think I agree. I gave it 6/10. I'm shocked at how high its score is. If, as some have said, this is the best martial arts movie, that doesn't speak well for martial arts movies.

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I gave it a 7 out of 10, Enter the Dragon is NOT the best Bruce Lee movie and it's not definetly the best martial arts movie ever made.

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Lots of posters have said it isn't the best martial arts film of all time, but they don't cite any examples of what they consider better films (one poster did mention another film but it doesn't compare favorably).

If you don't think it is the best then tell us what you think is.

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I can't score it as I just find it too cheesy.

I respect Bruce, his amazingly toned physique and martial arts skills, but it just made me laugh all the way through.

The faces and noises they make when fighting, the dubbed thwacking and thuds of the punches and kicks, the hip 70s Brother with Afro and sideburns, the foot in the face of the bad guy near the end, all of it really.

I suppose because it has become so ridiculed over the years when martial arts films are ripped off, although it is obviously the serious original.

40 years on I really can't respect how badly it has aged, it reminds me of a kid I used to go to school with who wore Hai Karate and martial arts slippers, something for adolescent boys to aspire to.

Those slippers didn't help him on the side of a soaking wet Welsh mountain when his mutiny went wrong and the staff mugged him into getting out of the mini bus to turn it around before driving off and leaving him. No coat and no waterproof shoes in Wales in September.

Nor when the A frame of the river crossing support collapsed and smacked him on the head.

I will abstain and simply acknowledge it is a piece of history, albeit a really, really cheesy one.

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