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This was a 'man's movie.' They don't make 'em like this anymore.


This movie was the last in a dying breed of movies that I like to call a "man's movie," which today are about as scarce as hen's teeth. Do you notice how everything out today is so chick-oriented? Nowadays everything is so drenched in estrogen, not to mention political correctness, that you damn near turn into a pussy just watching your average movie, TV show, advertisement, whatever. I salute this movie and others like it from a bygone era when men were men, and sheep were scared. Very scared. Long live testosterone!!



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I'm a Cinemajunkie !

Amen

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Valid point. Hsve you also noticed the turnover in titles on many bookshelves from male to female authors? Weird. More female readers than males, granted. But the average moviegoer remains a young male. Of course, he may have a girlfriend in tow who prefers Julia Roberts to Eric Roberts.

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Depends on whether OP calls it very meaningful fun. It's a good way to waste two hours, I'll grant it that much.

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Do you notice how everything out today is so chick-oriented? Nowadays everything is so drenched in estrogen, not to mention political correctness, that you damn near turn into a pussy just watching your average movie, TV show, advertisement, whatever.


This is the heart of what's wrong with American today. A man doesn't dare be a man for all the waves of bullcrap he has to endure from the pussy brigade.

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Belive it or not...Brad Pitt in FURY

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The Northman would disagree with that.

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The other thing about Emperor of the North as a "man's movie" is that the men were middle aged...and looked older.

The climactic fight -- with a chain, a hammer, and an axe as weapons -- takes place between Lee Marvin( a tough guy but make-up makes him look old) and Ernest Borgnine(middle aged AND overweight.)

And yet...at the time, in 1973, we bought it. Lee Marvin's star days were winding down but he was STILL a badass, and Borgnine had managed to keep a star career going with the ability to "play mean" as he did here.

Still, the summer of 1973 also gave us Bruce Lee in "Enter the Dragon" and this is where movie fight scenes were going: younger stars, kung fu fighting, more wall to wall fights(you have to wait a long time to see the fight in Emperor of the North -- its the climax.)

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Ernest Borgnine had the ability to "play mean". He wasn't huge. He was about 5'11" and built like a tank. He was overweight, but he had a very burly and powerful frame.

A serious badass in this film and From Here to Eternity. He was good as a brutal and corrupt sheriff in Convoy too.

A good actor with great range. He was a good guy in Marty.

Lee Marvin was great too. Underrated.

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Oh yeah ! But more than that, Borgnine could also do what not that many actors manage to pull off: play a deranged, mean son of a bitch who does the wrong things for the right reasons and that you end up feeling sorry for at the end of the film (see John Trent's excellent 1974 film 'A Sunday in the Country').
That fine line where non-cartoonish, believable monsters dwell, who at the same time are touching and therefore almost (but not quite) redeemable...
De Niro pulled that off recently in The Irishman.

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Ernest Borgnine had the ability to "play mean". He wasn't huge. He was about 5'11" and built like a tank. He was overweight, but he had a very burly and powerful frame.

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I would say that while Borgnine was overweight, he had a lifelong ability to play his roles like he was NOT overweight. Burly and powerful is good call. Stocky. The overweight was more noticeable early on in his career, in the fifties -- I mean, he played "Fatso Judson" in From Here to Eternity, so you HAD to think of him as overweight. Fighting(and losing to) one-armed Spencer Tracy in Bad Day at Black Rock, the belly was also noticeable in his tight clothes. But as he aged, he seemed to firm up or something.

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A serious badass in this film and From Here to Eternity. He was good as a brutal and corrupt sheriff in Convoy too.

A good actor with great range. He was a good guy in Marty.

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Badass (From Here to Eternity)...nice guy(Marty..and they gave him the Best Actor Oscar.)

He played a lot of nice guys -- like the addled taxi driver in Escape from New York.

But his badasses were bad.

I've always felt that as one of the doomed outlaws in his classic "The Wild Bunch," Borgnine "brought his badass"(these are violent, merciless killers) but kept Marty on view, too. Borgnine "loves" (in manly friend way), his buddy William Holden, and it is he who has to witness the young Mexican Angel dragged away from him to be tortured. At the climax when the other three have made their "we die today" decision, Holden gets one line("Let's go!") Warren Oates gets another("Why not?") and Borgnine just utters a warm, knowing laugh.

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Moreover, Ernest Borgnine clearly had one of the most amazing and long-lived careers in Hollywood, to wit:

Some early bad guys: From Here to Eternity, Bad Day at Black Rock
A very nice guy, and a Best Actor Oscar(Marty)
Then some "over the title years" as a true movie star(character star division) in movies like Torpedo Run and The Vikings.

Then...a big break to do a silly TV sitcom -- McHale's Navy -- where Borgnine had to deliver a lot of silly lines.
(He said he did the series because TV leads had more viewers and fame than many movie stars.)

Then -- amazingly -- when McHale's Navy shut down(and now Borgine WAS very famous)...he had a real "career renaissance" in MOVIES.

The Dirty Dozen. Ice Staton Zebra(billed above the title.) The Legend of Lilah Clare. The Split.

The stretch from 1969 to 1972 gave him his "modern hard-R classic" The Wild Bunch AND a blockbuster(Number One or Two of 1972)..The Poseidon Adventure. In between, Borgine took a role in a small horror movie about killer rats(Willard) and got a great death scene and, as I recall, a share of major profits.

In some ways, Borgnine's great movie era died out in the 70's. Emperor of the North and Convoy were good movies, but Borgnine seemed inclined to play out his years on TV (Airwolf and others.)

And then, Borgnine gave hope to all overweight men by living to ...95? And acting in a few scenes in a few films IN his 90s..like "Red" with Bruce Willis.

Helluva career.

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Oh yeah ! But more than that, Borgnine could also do what not that many actors manage to pull off: play a deranged, mean son of a bitch who does the wrong things for the right reasons and that you end up feeling sorry for at the end of the film (see John Trent's excellent 1974 film 'A Sunday in the Country').

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Well, you've just called up a Borgnine title with which I am unfamiliar and now I want to see THAT.

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That fine line where non-cartoonish, believable monsters dwell, who at the same time are touching and therefore almost (but not quite) redeemable...
De Niro pulled that off recently in The Irishman.

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Yes, well..one sees these men through their OWN eyes...just trying to provide for their family, make a living, if they are mean or kill people, well, oh well..

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Lee Marvin was great too. Underrated.

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Perhaps underated -- and perhaps forgotten? -- now, but Lee Marvin worked long and hard as a character guy, supporting actor and TV star (M Squad) and finally had a short but major superstar career in the 60s that tapered off in the 70's(when he made good but non-hit movies like Emperor of the North.)

It started in 1965 for Marvin. His premature white-gray hair actually helped tone down his mean, simian features, and added sex appeal. He won the Best Actor Oscar in 1965 (ten years after Borgnine's 1955 win) for the comedy Western Cat Ballou and a drunk act that had some serious overtones as a broken-down gunslinger. (Over time it became clear in movies that Marvin's drunk act wasn't an act.) Also in 1965, Marvin was good(and drunk again) opposite ..Vivien Leigh!? in Ship of Fools. In 1966, he had his best role(IMHO) as the cool, deadpan mercenary with a heart of gold(opposite Burt Lancaster) in the Western adventure The Professionals. 1967 was a huge year for Marvin-- The Dirty Dozen in summer and Point Blank in the fall.)

Marvin then did something that, in retrospect, was wrong for him, even if entertaining. He dropped out of the William Holden role in The Wild Bunch(yes, he HAD accepted it) to play a comedy Western drunk again in Paint Your Wagon(1969) opposite Clint Eastwood, in a MUSICAL. Paint Your Wagon actually hasa a lot of fans but something about that movie hurt Marvin's star momentum.

To match his mistake in dropping out of The Wild Bunch, Marvin 6 years later turned down Quint in Jaws.

Personally, I think that William Holden -- a handsome, faded, struggling movie star -- was better casting for The Wild Bunch than the super-hot at the time Marvin. T But Jaws could have rejuvenated Marvin's career -- Robert Shaw was great, but Marvin came with "ex superstar credentials."

And oh...Lee Marvin AND Ernest Borgnine were BOTH henchmen of villain Robert Ryan in Bad Day at Black Rock. They went far.

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Let's try to find more recent films that fit the bill.

Fury (2014) was already mentioned.
I nominate The Grey (2011)

More? I mostly watch much older stuff, so that's the only one that came to mind...

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