2011: The Setting for BATTLE?


Lots of theories on this one, many approximations. I would like to suggest the year 2011? My desire to do this is because I just can't conceive that BATTLE took place almost three decades after CONQUEST. Here are my theories (comments encouraged):

1) "This armory has been my home for 27 years" -- This is the most troublesome of all the lines in the movie. So - is it conceivable that APE MANAGEMENT was formed, say, around late 1984? We can figure the 1983 plague hit in January 1983, so AM would have taken nearly two years. Could this work in presuming that Mandemus worked in an Ape Management armory (or any kind of mock war-time ape armory) from 1984 until 2011? (Hence, his '27 Years Armory Experience', all-inclusive) ?

2) "If we shoot, we break 12 years of peace" -- It could have been that a war began in 1991 at least partially as a panic to deal with the Ape Uprisings occurring across the board, and lasted 8 years, followed by 12 years of peace.

3) "When I was a boy he was my teacher" -- Virgil comes off to me as a younger ape (especially alongside the real old Mandemus, who they all consider "old") of about 26. So Mandemus could have taught Virgil as early as 1999 (starting after the war), when Virgil was about 14. That in turn would have made Virgil approximately age 6 in CONQUEST, where he might well recall "being electrically conditioned for obedience".

4) Kolp's Age -- Kolp looks nearly the same in CONQUEST and BATTLE. The real actor Severan Darden was in his 40s.. so we can figure he was around 34 in CONQUEST and 54 in BATTLE...?

5) Cornelius' Age - he can be 10 or 11, having been born right after the war, around 2000.

Any other questions or stubborn inconsistencies I've missed?
Personally, I hate the idea of the war lasting a long time. To me it is best as swift and over and done with, rather quickly. But with my above theory, the shortest it could have lasted was 8 years.

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Difficult one this.

Dehns original script says 2004

The Carringtons says 2000

The final shooting script doesn't give a time/date.

So what do we have?

A World War breaks out after the events of 'Conquest', where man turns against man. We don't know how long it lasts, but we do know that there has been 12 years of peace since it ended.
Let's say that the War initially started without nuclear weapons. Then when one side looked like it was losing they fired theirs on the enemy, who retaliated in kind.
World War 2 lasted for 6 years. Let's say World War 3 lasts for twice that until the nukes are unleashed. It ends after the nukes are unleashed, say within months.

Add 12 years of war to 12 years of peace and we have 24 years making it 2015.

Let's also go with Mandemus somehow working in the armoury when still a slave of the humans since, say 1988. That would give us the 27 years. Also, if you consider that Virgil is around 26, it covers Mandemus being his teacher.

It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!

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Well, Alan, you and I are only 4 years apart (2011 or 2015), so it's close enough.

No way can BATTLE (as filmed) occur as early as 2000 or 2004. But then again, I think placing it as far ahead as, say, 2020 or later is a bit too long.

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No way can BATTLE (as filmed) occur as early as 2000 or 2004. But then again, I think placing it as far ahead as, say, 2020 or later is a bit too long.

No, doesn't work for me either.

It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!

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Rich Handley's book "Timeline of the Planet of the Apes" places Battle in the year 2020. He based it on Mandemus' line that he lived in the Ape City Armory for 27 years. Now whether Battle takes place in 2020 or 2011 or 2015 is really inconsequential to the overall story being told.

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True, but it helps me enjoy it more. Especially when I hear Mandemus line about the armoury being his home for 27 years.

It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!

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True, Alan, it helps me enjoy the series more, too.

I'm not sure of the 2020 setting, since it would mean that Kolp would look considerably older than he does in BATTLE. Unless we figure he was 25 or something in CONQUEST?

So would you guys say my details add up?

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Yeah, works for me

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Cesar only taught the apes how to speak. He did not teach them math skills. Mandemus cannot count, so thats why in error he says 27 years it being his home. Also, in this primitive world, days were no longer being counted, so its just estimates when they say breaking 12 years of peace.

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