It's been clearly established that the only movie that got the date right, and that's only POSSIBLY got the date right, was the original movie. This is because they just orbited earth for a couple hundred years when they got back because they were in hypersleep too long. But the equipment could have broke in that time or all sorts of things could have happened.
It is never stated in the original film that they orbited earth for hundreds of years. Here is a copy of the shooting script of the film:
http://pota.goatley.com/cgi-bin/pdfview.pl?uri=scripts/pota_finalshoot.pdf. A quick review will show that claim is just factually wrong.
The reason it's known to be the only movie with the correct date is because Taylor's rocket was the only to orbit earth and not pass through a wormhole, which is STATED IN THE TV-SHOW to interfere with time measuring equipment. It's a massive plot hole why in the second one the date is actually EARLIER on their time meter than the first movie. An explanation is finally given in the first episode of this show.
Again it was never said that Taylor's ship orbited the earth. No explanation is given in the live action TV series about anything that happened in the films. Nor is there any mention of wormholes interfering with the ship's clock. Again you can review the shooting script about this:
http://pota.goatley.com/cgi-bin/pdfview.pl?uri=scripts/potatv_eft_revfin.pdf As far as the different years on the ship's clocks in the first and second films, it is minor error that can be explained by Taylor's line in the first film that they were 2,000 years in the future "give or take a decade" which infers that the clocks were not meant to be 100% accurate regarding the exact year.
They ACTUALLY SAY IN THE FREAKING SHOW IF YOU WERE PAYING ATTENTION that since they did not naturally get there but instead passed through a hasslein curve, basically a wormhole, their equipment was getting too much interference and they may have actually gone farther into the future than that.
There is no mention of a hasslein curve or wormhole in the live action TV show. A review of the final script proves that out. While one character does speculate that they could be farther in the future, that is never followed up. The opening credits of the show also use the 3085 date. Here is what Joe Russo, author of the book 'Planet of the Apes Revisited' said on the subject:
http://www.potamediaarchive.com/images/russo1.jpgDr. Zaius also clearly seems to reference astronauts that came to the planet years 10 years prior. He is clearly referencing the first movie. The producers said it was even meant to be 10 years after the first movie. The reason humans can talk in the show is because on the new timeline they never became animals. The earth also still exists, when it shouldn't, because they managed to change things just enough so the earth would not be destroyed in hundreds of years time.
First the character in the TV series was Councillor Zaius, not Dr. Zaius. A totally different character than that in the films. Two different characters, living in two different simian cities in two different eras.
http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Zaius_(TV_Series)http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Zaius_(APJ)Second, he is not clearly referencing the first film. Besides from being in the western part of the US rather than on the east coast and separated by 900 years, Zaius says the previous astronauts were killed by Urko before reaching Central City and were armed with grenades, both inconsistent with the events of the first film. And where do the producers say it was meant to be 10 years after the first film. Can you provide a link with the quote?
Also, the movies are clearly connected to the TV-shows because Brent, from the second movie, is in the animated show, which is many years after he arrived. In that show, humans don't talk that often but are the slaves to apes like in the first show. The second show is terrible, which is why that plot hole of humans not talking as often as they do in the first show exists, but the producers made it canon it's ten years after the first show, so they are both therefore connected and we can conclude the events of the first two movies were changed on the second timeline.
The Brent in the films and in the animated show are two different characters. Different first names, launched into space in different centuries and on different missions.
http://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/John_Brenthttp://planetoftheapes.wikia.com/wiki/Ronald_Brent. So there is no connection with the animated show with the films.
Also, your argument about Cornelius being wrong IS ALSO FLAWED because they were given the sacred scrolls in the second movie, hence how they learned all this. The Sacred Scrolls has been being made since as early as the apes forming a civilization, chronicling the REAL history, and hence they mention completely different circumstances to how the apes took over than we see in the movies.
As was stated in the first film, the 'sacred scroll aren't worth their parchment'. In fact, Cornelius proves that by the end of the film. They are inaccurate and can't be trusted.
It says the virus came, but it also affected HUMANS and that eventually what it did was kill cats and dogs then they enslaved apes for 200 years. Then, after 300 more years apes went from pets to slaves doing advanced services like driving taxis, etc.
Never said that the virus affected humans. And the 500 year timeframe is inconsistent with everything that came before it. Also, they never said anything about apes driving taxis. You can review the shooting script to see this is true:
http://pota.goatley.com/cgi-bin/pdfview.pl?uri=scripts/pota_escape_final.pdfThen an ape named ALDO lead the slaves in revolt against the humans, with no explanation as to how the apes became intelligent.
Never said that Aldo led a revolt or that there was a revolt at all. Just that Aldo was the first to say No. Go back and review the script, better yet here is a clip of the scene:
http://www.potamediaarchive.com/CorneliusHistory.htm.
Now that is EXACTLY what happened according to the Sacred Scrolls, which are a version of the apes bible only the really respected can see because it tells the REAL truth about history. This is established from THE VERY FIRST MOVIE.
What was established in the first film is that the sacred scrolls couldn't be trusted as an accurate source.
This was all in the Sacred Scrolls, according to Cornelius, as he learned it very recently from getting the scrolls from Zaius near the end of the 2nd movie. Now, even our own historians aren't certain on some dates BUT COME ON DUDE, SURELY YOU REALIZE APES WOULD DATE DOCUMENTS AS HUMANS DO IF THEY REALLY TOOK OVER WITH IMITATION AS CLEARLY IMPLIED! To get something that happened in the span of 20 years off by 500 years as you imply they did is absurd! No historian nowadays is capable of making a mistake, and when you consider they were probably dating their documents pretty early in the existence of their civilizations, your explanation that they're getting it wrong just doesn't add up.
All hearsay evidence that is never shown on screen and shown to the audience from a source shown to be inaccurate in the first film. Hardly rock solid evidence.
And now you're just making me laugh, because you say in the first two movies that they say the human race fell in the 20th century. This is just stupidly wrong. There is not one ounce of truth in this. I have watched them so many times both, I can tell you this never happened. They never say when human kind fell or even imply much about when they fell in the first two movies.
Then I guess you missed the scene in the cave where Cornelius dates the human remains and the doll from 2,000 years earlier. As well as the scenes in Beneath showing 20th century ruins of New York and Taylor saying the bomb was a 'lovely souvenir from the 20th Century'. Again review the film's shooting script
http://pota.goatley.com/cgi-bin/pdfview.pl?uri=scripts/pota_beneath_final.pdf especially the Note on page 52 stating that "The City's general design should be based on the premise that is was buried in the nuclear war of 1990".
The first movie says the scrolls are written approximately 2000 years ago.
Actually Zaius says they were written approximately 1,200 year earlier.
The original movie, assuming that IS the only date that can be trusted, took place in 3978, so 2000 years ago would be 2978, which IS SO FAR FROM THE 20TH CENTURY I COULD SLAP YOU!
Simple math: 3978-2000=1978, not 2978. Maybe you should be slapping your math teacher.
So that means originally the plague happened around 2478 and then 500 years passed to 2978 to when they began writing the scrolls.
You're making a lot of assumptions with no facts. Zaius says the scrolls were written by the Lawgiver about 1,200 years earlier. That would be sometime in the 28th century. And if they were written by the Lawgiver it was well after human civilization fell and apes took over. There is no evidence that they recorded history as it happened. In fact, Cornelius states that the events of the plague what followed was part of the apes pre-history. And since the scrolls were shown to be an inaccurate source as well as that the events described never being shown on screen, they can be relied on to 100% true.
So I have PROVED that
1) The third movie clearly matched the first two movies information, but not the later movies, proving there are two timelines
No you haven't proved anything of the sort. The third film doesn't even match itself. Earlier in the film Cornelius says that apes had been speaking English for nearly 2,000 years.
2) The TV-Shows are MOST DEFINITELY connected to the earlier two movies at least, and due to seeing the human race can talk at the end of battle and that its ten years later than the first movie and the planet hasn't been destroyed is probably on the second timeline with those last 3 sequels
Again you haven't proved anything. There is nothing to directly connect either TV series to the films.
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wears-alan
8 years ago
Just to add:
Cornelius didn't say he got the info about the downfall of man from the Sacred Scrolls. He said he had access to 'Secret' scrolls.
You're old enough to kill, but not for voting....
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