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Massive Plot Holes (spoilers)


First, why would he use a guillotine when he had a perfectly good electric chair/access to drugs?

Also, at the end, why the hell would two cars speed towards each other? Just for the lulz?

He seemed to magically be able to zoom in on his sons forehead at the moment he hit the branch?

These are just a few.

All said though, I liked it, if it had a little more thought it could have been a real classic.

Opening at the time as the Excorcist couldn't have helped either.

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Really, you could pick apart just about any movie ever made. Hardly anything is flawless. This movie isn't perfect, but then again, what is? I still liked it a lot. The plot was very interesting, the dialogue, cinematography and acting were really good and the special effects are great for the time. But you're right, there are a few problems here and there with this film.

First, why would he use a guillotine when he had a perfectly good electric chair/access to drugs?

The electric chair obviously would have put Christina through a great deal of pain. The gas chamber set up also would have been grueling. I think the guillotine set up would have been the least painful if done correctly. I don't know what you mean by "access to drugs." Do you mean give her an overdose? Or are you referring to the gas chamber set up? The overdose would have been very difficult to moderate.

Also, at the end, why the hell would two cars speed towards each other? Just for the lulz?

It looks to me like he was anticipating a car crash and just stepped in between them. Logically, it's a stretch, but it's not impossible. He could have been hanging out there for who knows how long waiting for two cars to approach each other at a high speed and just walked out into the road then.

He seemed to magically be able to zoom in on his sons forehead at the moment he hit the branch?

I can't remember how this was shown. It would have been impossible for Hugo to zoom in using that camera, but if the director of this film was showing a playback of the footage and did a close shot of the tree branch hit from the further vantage point, then it would be acceptible. Really depends on how the playback shot was cropped. I'll have to rewatch that part because I can't remember now.


But anyway, like I said, if these are problems at all they are minor problems and nothing that really took away from the movie much in my opinion.

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His son's face was shown to the viewers when the accident happened in the movie, by the non-diegetic camera - the cinematic camera.

Later, when Hugo checked the diegetic footage he filmed during the accident on that old style camera, first we see b&w footage of the boat that we didn't see before.
Then the accident happened and the b&w footage appears to have same exact shot that we saw before. And it is shown on b&w footage like this shot was edited inside the footage. There was no zoom, it was a simple cut, which makes no sense because that was an original footage before the editing, and if it was edited, then it was not the first time Hugo saw it and his surprise was not in place.

Similar technique you can see in other movies, when non-diegetic camera films some occurrence, and later we see the same footage as it appears on surveillance cameras that are part of the diegesis.

This is of course not a plot hole, but rather old cinematic technique that was used quite often, when the viewers were still naive, and was considered as acceptable medium convention.

As for other points, they could be simply explained by the poor plot. The content was very good and the story deserves better treatment, but the plot which was used to tell the story was poorly written, poorly directed and poorly acted.

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The holes you've mentioned are inconsequential to be honest! They're only in there to assist us,the audience! The hole I don't get is if his asphyx is locked away in the vault,connected to the water supply,then when the crystals are used up,Hugo will die! If he can't get in there after 97 years,I would have doubted the crystals would still be in good condition and if Hugo is now a tramp then who lives in his stately home? And why haven't they entered the vault and discovered the macabre experiment? Great film and I'm sad to write these nitpicks as I enjoyed it...

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I remember the film as being quite terrifying from when I was a kid but was quite disappointed second time around. Good concept but bad execution (if you pardon the pun).

- The older guy seemed to take a long time to cotton on to the experimental possibilities of seeing the man hanged.

- At the end of the hanging was the man pulling at the hanged man's legs to break his neck? I hope so because it kind of looked like he was trying to rescue him by pulling him downwards. That's the kind of help I can do without!

- Why did the younger fella change the blue crystals for white ones that didn't do anything at all. He may as well have just taken the blue ones out. (As an aside ... did scientists then put their fingers in everything? No wonder they died of poisoning so often)

- What did the note say? Was it the combination to the lock. Or was it the young fella saying 'up your's mate, now you can live with your guilt forever'?

- Frankly they deserve to die for being the least competent scientists ever. Fancy not working out they needed 2 people to work the experiment. Darwin award anyone?

- And what about the amazing new design of trigger that does not need holding down. That would be called a 'switch' then. Give that man a prize!

- I thought they could have done a lot more with the (ridiculous) guillotine and rubber pipes scene. What could possibly go wrong? We should have seen her head in the basket ... alive ... with her saying 'kill me', Alien style.

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*** SPOILERS ***

There are more plot holes.

- How could his son die just from hitting a branch and drowning in seconds? I've never heard of someone dying that way. That was the silliest death scene I've ever seen. The filmmakers should have created a more believable scene.

- How could the son and his wife drown in seconds? It takes longer than that to drown? Plus he should have been splashing around for a while before drowning, which would have given the other guy plenty of time to save him. And the father didn't even try? Geez.

- How did that guillotine fail? Why didn't they just lock it to drop to a certain point? They expected water through a hose to stop it? Why did the guy tell his fiancee that it was foolproof then?

- If that stupid daughter hadn't let out that mouse, then it wouldn't have been able to chew through the hose. She was so dumb.


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Also, how could that scientist age if he was immortal? And why did the mouse look exactly the same?

What would happen if he had banged that immortal mouse with a hammer?

And why didn't he let the other guy put his daughter's "asphyx" into the container? Wouldn't that have saved her life?

And if he wanted to die, why didn't he just break the door open and let his "asphyx" out?


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Immortality doesn't mean you're unable to age, it just means you're unable to die. Presumably he didn't let him put the asphyx in the container because it would be pretty difficult, if not impossible for them to reattach her head, meaning she may live forever as a headless person.

Also, he didn't actually know the combination to the lock, we're not shown the note he's given, so it's not clear if it actually has the combination written on it at all. The door was too solidly constructed for him to simply break open.

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Regarding the wife drowning in seconds ... He does say that his wife can't swim. Not many people did know how to swim then, and certainly a lady of society wouldn't swim. Furthermore, she was wearing a long dress made of several layers of satin, cotton, batiste, as well as several petticoats and more than likely a bustle made of metal covered with horsehair. All that weight, soaking wet and tangled around the legs, would very likely pull down a woman in seconds.

So I can certainly buy it.



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How did the scientist explain away his guillotined daughter to people? "Oh, we accidentally cut her head off"?

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Just watched this for the first time tonight, and though I was looking forward to it from seeing the trailer on other Redemption releases, ultimately, I was disappointed.

Your point about "least competent scientists ever" is well taken. As soon as they put Christina into the guillotine, both my wife and I started chuckling and quipped "This can't end well," and then . . .

And after that fiasco (from which they seemed to recover rather quickly), they attempt another scenario with "bad idea" written all over it. By this point it just seemed to be getting ludicrous, and I found myself laughing derisively and shaking my head. Plus, many of the plot holes mentioned by other posters also bothered me as well.

I also thought, as you did, that a much more effective, and horrific, avenue to explore would have been to have Christina beheaded but still alive, sort of a "Monkey's Paw" variation. Of course, the writers would have had to figure out why they couldn't just release the asphyx and make her dead again, but that couldn't have been too difficult given all the gyrations they went through to make the story they actually came up with work.

I really wanted to like this movie, and the first half is pretty absorbing, but for me, it never seemed to recover after the ridiculous guillotine scene. Granted, the production design, cinematography, and atmosphere are terrific, but the screenplay really doesn't seem to have been thought through very well, and the direction seemed a bit lacklustre.

I seem to be the minority on these boards, but I would chalk this one up as more of a "nice try" than a really satisfying movie. 5/10

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I think what the op meant was give her poison or drugs like the guinea pig, it was not a mouse. Many poisons are undetectable or painless, so if that is what he was going for.

I also think the hose thing was bogus. Even if it was cut, minus the hose there should have been enough water to do the experiment.

Also it was around 1875 based on the numbers on the coffins, so in theory there were explosives at that point that could have blown the door off, but I assumed that he took eternity as his penance.

Also at the one guy. I disagree. Immortality was originally a concept used to refer to beings like gods, one that had agelessness, invincibility, and eternal youth. The concept has become more subjective, with some holding that it does not include youth and some that it does, just look at this movie, and then look at highlander.

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I think people are missing the point of the guillotine experiment. Cunningham is taking the opportunity to test another hypothesis while immortalizing Christina: That imminent death, and not the actual death itself, is what summons the Asphyx. If this is true, then simply placing someone in mortal danger is enough for future "immortalizations," rather than poisoning/electrocuting them. Remember that in the previous attempts, the guinea pig, the boy, and Cunningham were all at the point of death.

One must remember, also, that this film came out in the 70s, before the age when dissecting every single element of a film through a cynical, jaded lens had become vogue. Audiences were much more willing to completely subsume their disbelief to the world of a given movie, as long as that movie could hold their attention. Seeking out minor technical or narrative flaws in a film and then deriding the entirety of the movie because of them is largely a construct of the Internet age.

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@BartlebyScrivner: Just in case you're referring to my post, I do not consider myself a "cynical, jaded" viewer "seeking out . . . flaws" and then "deriding the whole movie." I am perfectly willing to suspend my disbelief and enjoy a wild, fantastic, unrealistic movie as long as it doesn't insult my intelligence and is internally consistent (one of the major tenets of all good science fiction).

But the guillotine and following scenes made me spontaneously burst into laughter at the absurdity of what they were doing. It seemed to me that they were just a bit overconfident in their experimental scenarios, without considering the horrific consequences of something going wrong.

As I said, I found the first half quite absorbing, and was really rooting for the film based on its originality and beautiful production design alone. But I just couldn't accept the later turn of events, and quickly lost interest. Too bad, because this movie has a lot going for it otherwise.

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I still think it's a pretty good film. But even so I can't help but riff it! Why would you not take extra precautions with your own daughter or clearly bump into the one guy that is holding the blade? That doctor was so bad at trying not to kill people! And it never crossed his mind that his assistant took his own life? Oxygen and gas doesn't cause an explosion! But 'flaws' aside, I think we can translate them as British cultural differences towards the horror genre. American horror is about the sex, violence, and gore. British horror is more about the significance, the short comings of humanity, and any gore that is displayed tries to capture a more uneasy semi-realistic tension rather than just being gory to horrify. Plus I like to see this as a sort of Ghostbusters inspiration.

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The guillotine was chosen specifically to frighten her. The electric chair and drugs aren't as fear-promoting as the threat of a sharp blade falling on you. As said in the film, the asphyx won't come unless the subject is afraid.

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Then why not take some precautions like the blade wouldn't come down all the way and not tell her. They really didn't establish if the asphyx knew if they were about to die, just that they were so afraid that they might die. Like the Tingler.

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At some point at the beginning it is established that the Asphyx has a mind of its own and is aware. They discuss it, before or after the execution, I can't remember. So presumably the danger of death has to be real for the Asphyx to appear. Like when he poisons the guinea pig; there's the antidote but the danger of dying is real.

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