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Trivia: the Japanese LOLITA genre and ALICE IN THE CITIES


Here's a fun little detail about Japanese culture y'all probably didn't know. Possibly because the sexualization of children is not such a big deal over there -- I remember seeing men's magazines with images of girls as young as 15 years old frolicking in bikinis, in between nudie spreads, and of course there are the shops where lascivious businessmen pay big money for schoolgirl panties -- see the film BOUNCE KO GALS for a peek into THAT scene -- there is a genre of videos that you find in stores identified as "Lolita" movies, which deal with relationships between adults and children, sometimes sexual, sometimes not. (I've personally seen shelves organized this way -- just like you might see a Suspense section in a video store here). Films like PAPER MOON, both LOLITAS, ALICE IN THE CITIES, and that Charles Bronson thing where he's in love with a kid, whatever the heck it was called -- all get organized together. It's not so much a feeling of culture shock as culture creepiness... and it's disturbing to see a film like ALICE IN THE CITIES situated in a context that generally seems to be sexual. Don't get me wrong, I greatly enjoyed my time in Japan, and would return if offered sufficient money -- people who share the country's doity little secrets generally get accused of Japan bashing, but... I speak th' truth, folks.

Allan (http://alienatedinvancouver.blogspot.com)

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that's interesting. i didn't know that.

i think a lot of things can be seen in a sexual manner even though most of the time they're not regarded as sexual.

and yeah, in a way it is somewhat disturbing to see lolita desires becoming culturalised and manifested so unabashedly.

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The charles bronson film was called forbidden subjects. It was pretty good, but not as good as Alice in the cities.

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"and yeah, in a way it is somewhat disturbing to see lolita desires becoming culturalised and manifested so unabashedly. "

Why exactly?

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aurolacul2004 says > "and yeah, in a way it is somewhat disturbing to see lolita desires becoming culturalised and manifested so unabashedly. Why exactly?"
Having to ask 'why' kind of explains it all. The more we accept, condone, or are apathetic towards unnatural behaviors, the more these things seem acceptable, normal or mainstream.

The truth is acceptance of something, no matter how widespread that acceptance may be, changes nothing. It does not somehow make that thing right or acceptable; it just means a whole lot of people have 'agreed to drink the Kool-Aid.' Those people are so busy trying to be Politically Correct or trying to avoid being the odd man out who will get pounced on for not following in step with the masses, they'd rather lose their moral base then say what they really think and feel.

We keep trying to normalize a lot of behaviors that simply are not normal. We think all we have to do is pass a law or play along and presto-change-o we can re-align human norms and change the laws of nature. It cannot be done.

Even if the intention is to make people feel better about themselves, it's wrong to ignore the laws of nature. They do not change with our whims and the times. If we continue in the direction we've been going lately, it won't be long before these 'Lolita' relationships become as acceptable as the other deviant relationships we seem to not only accept but celebrate today. It's sad.


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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I'm guessing you got off on the news from Orlando this morning. Sick *beep*.

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gizmomogwai says > I'm guessing you got off on the news from Orlando this morning. Sick *beep*.
Yeah, what exactly would give you that idea? Apparently in your view of the world you're entitled to say anything you'd like but how dare I do the same? Lovely!


Woman, man! That's the way it should be Tarzan. [Tarzan and his mate]

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There were definitely some very creepy scenes in this film, especially the bathtub scene.





Schrodinger's cat walks into a bar and doesn't.

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How was it creepy? The dude was taking a bath and she needed to *beep*

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