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This and TOS are the only real Trek.


Once they got off track with the first film (stupid looking Klingons) it lost credibility. The films were amusing but obviously dumbed down to appeal to a wider audience. TNG was, aside from continuity flaws, a well written intelligent show in it's first few seasons. After Roddenberry's death though it became a Pop show run more for the benefit of the producers, cast and crew than the audience it exploited.

You can't have true popularity and quality/intelligence at the same time. TOS/TAS have a cult following. The films and TNG, etc have a mainstream following. The difference is obvious.

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In other words, you're an idiot who doesn't really understand Star Trek.

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He's a Roddenberry cultist. They're all idiots.

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If he was a Roddenberry cultist, he would be fawning over the first movie. That was the only one that Roddenberry had significant creative involvement in.

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I understand your POV. However, I truly feel you're cheating yourself out of some good Trek.

In our screwed up world the light at the end of the tunnel is likely an oncoming train

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That's odd, since most people seem to favor the later seasons of TNG over the early ones. Myself, I enjoy them all.

TOS was my favorite, loved the characters, loved the ship, loved the tone. But it was a little inconsistent. There were a lot of weaker episodes sprinkled in with the great ones. I will admit TNG had better writing overall.

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Once they got off track with the first film (stupid looking Klingons) it lost credibility.

So, let me get this straight. Your biggest problem with the first film wasn't the glacial pace, the stilted acting, the sparse, impersonal dialogue that turned characters we love into mere plot devices, the endless dialogue-free scenes that exist solely to show off how awesome their new effects are, us being asked to dislike Decker just because Kirk's his rival...

...but the way the Klingons looked? You've never gotten laid, have you?

The films were amusing but obviously dumbed down to appeal to a wider audience.

Yes, the evenly paced films which placed a greater emphasis on story and character development surely were a step down from the brilliance of Miri, The Omega Glory and Bread and Circuses (I didn't say Spock's Brain or The Way to Eden because you, a clear Roddenberry-worshipper, will just say that Roddenberry wasn't the producer when those episodes aired).

TNG was, aside from continuity flaws, a well written intelligent show in it's first few seasons. After Roddenberry's death though it became a Pop show run more for the benefit of the producers, cast and crew than the audience it exploited.

TNG's first season was sh!t. You know it too. Aside from the odd good episode, most of them were just silly, and then there's the obvious creator pet Wesley Crusher, who in that season was at his whiny worst.

You can't have true popularity and quality/intelligence at the same time

Bullsh!t. If something is truly good it can have both.

TOS/TAS have a cult following. The films and TNG, etc have a mainstream following. The difference is obvious.

Yes. TOS and TAS are silly and dated. But you're wrong about the mainstream following. Ask any joe on the street who Dr. McCoy is and he will probably know. Ask who Commander Riker is and you'll get a blank stare.

It's clear you think that only Roddenberry knew how to do Star Trek. What you probably don't know is that Roddenberry himself would disagree with you.

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i consider this part of the original trek

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I love TMP (the new blu ray looks incredible) but I have never liked the new Klingons. I have also never liked the Klingons as friends. That's why Worf never worked for me as a character and those episodes on TNG featuring Klingon culture and lore were just awful. At any moment, they could break out into a growl! It made much more sense for Romulans to become friends. My guess is the Klingons were obviously based on Russians in the Cold War and if they showed them as our friends it would eventually be true with Russians, too.
In truth, I think Kirk was right in Star Trek VI. Let them die. The Klingon culture was not worthy of saving. Kirk said it best. They are animals. But Spock said we should basically extend a hand and not a fist. Just like the idiot Obama did with Russia and Iran. Seriously. That reset button with Hillary?
The Klingons would have never lifted a finger to help the Federation. They would have taken advantage of it. Just like the Russians and the Chinese today against America.

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The Klingons represented the Russians, not the Romulans.

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Yes. I know. That's what I wrote.

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You should stick to Dean Koontz and Ben Shapiro novels if you don't like fiction that promotes tolerance

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Interesting thread with some interesting comments. There is something about TOS (and TAS) isn't there.. that just sets it apart from everything else. The look and feel of it , the sets, the ship designs, the uniforms, the music, the look of the characters, the look of Shatner and his performance, the eerie atmosphere like the twilight zone almost - a lone starship charting a haunted galaxy full of stranger things and long dead civilisations..

The movies and spin off TV series are just so different its almost like other versions of star trek altogether, in fact there's about 6 incarnations/eras of Trek now: TOS/TAS, TMP, TWOK-TUC, TNG/Berman era, JJ films, Kurtzman era

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True

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