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OK, maybe it's because I'm a little young, but...


...I'm not sure I get the whole Sid/Marty Krofft thing...but I am eager to learn! I'm 20, and a child of the late 80s all the way, so I spent my childhood watching "Winnie the Pooh" and "Rainbow Brite" and such...so when I saw an episode of "Sigmund and the Sea Monsters" on TV Land the other night, I was confused! Someone please tell me about Sid and Marty Krofft, and what the message they were trying to spread was...I've seen bits and pieces of "Land of the Lost" and "HR Pufnstuf" as well! Thanks!
~Feeling very young right now...;-D

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Okay, coming from someone who watched all the Sid & Marty Krofft shows, I think they were high when they made some of the shows. I love all their shows, but they were crazy! I'm assuming Pufnstuf means they were puffin stuff when they were writing the show, but I love it just the same.

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It's on Tv Land? CRAP! We don't get TV Land here. I've been waiting my whole life to see that show again, and just my luck, I'm living in another country while they're showing it again in the states! Irony's a real prick!

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I'm thinking it wasn't pot so much as LSD. Lots of bright colours and characters with really, really, really big heads. They would generally show three at a time on Saturday morning, and you rarely got to see the ones you wanted to see--like the Bugaloos. It was always that damned Ruth Buzzi and Jim Neighbors show with the half dog/ half horse thing (I think that one was the space nuts?)Most of the shows had characters who were someplace they weren't supposed to be--(Land of the Lost, Lidsville, puffinstuff, Dr. Shrinker, Sigmund....) Sometimes Nick at Night will air a marathon. Those shows pretty muched warped most of the gen-X kids, although we can still sing the preamble thanks to Schoolhouse Rock. I'm waiting for the DVDs to come out and when it does, I'm getting out that big, oversized bowl of cereal....

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I wouldn't say these shows warped us, at least no more than the public school education did. Now THAT did some damage!

It would be over twenty years before I would come across many of these shows again and they are aimed at kids, unlike Warner Bros. cartoons, so they don't have mature themes.

Undertones? Clearly these are more drug-related than sexual. Sexuality from these shows largely consists of Caroline Ellis in "The Bugaloos" (or I guess girls could have had crushes on those guys), small girls thought Jack Wilde was cute at one time (I don't think he gathered much of a teen following), I know my sisters thought Wesley Eure on "Land of the Lost" was cute and then there was Kaptain Kool and the Kongs, but that show was just too phony for me.

We have the boat scene in "Willie Wonka" so obviously there was something coming out of Hollywood at this time that you watch this stuff and "wow, man, everytime I see it its different" and maybe that is what was supposed to occur here with the Krofft shows.

Why go after Saturday morning? To me, Land of the Lost always seemed out of place there.

Maybe dopeheads were supposed to grow up and have fond memories of the shows.

Doesn't seem to have happened. I've never done drugs and these Krofft shows are totally vacant to me.

Only Land of the Lost has any clear substance to it, but it got off-track when the insinuation started emerging that they were in another dimension and not just in the past.

And yes, the Nabors-Buzzi show (with the dorse) called "The Lost Saucer" was a migraine to watch back then. It just didn't work, mainly because of Nabors and Buzzi, but plots were things like half elephant-half chicken monsters (chicken head on Elephant's body Chickephant would lay an egg and out would hatch the elephicken, elephant's head on a chicken's body) and another one had everyone numbered, and another had everyone fat. They were clumsy watches attempting to be funny. Perhaps they should have gone the serious route like Land of the Lost.

The Far Out Space Nuts was the one with Bob Denver and Chuck McCann as two delivery men who accidentally get launched into outer space. This would be a few years after Denver had trouble getting caught with drugs, so again, drug use was not completely unknown to the persons making these shows.

I've just been looking over all my Krofft shows that I accumulated off TVland and a big standout for me (and that it was a show I couldn't stand back then) is Sigmund the Sea Monster (or Sigmund and the Sea Monster, never understood that titling).

Mainly, the Krofft shows had no set pattern.

We went from real life villians and heroes in Pufnstuf, Bugaloos and Lidsville, to short central characters in costumes in Sigmund, to supporting comedy relief characters in Space Nuts and Lost Saucer, to no obvious costume creatures in the Kaptain Kool shows.

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I woudn't necessarily scoff at the public education of the '70s and prior; At least it was based on reality and discipline. Now, school's just a country-club where teachers pass kids just to get them the hell outta their sight. I'm glad I got my education publicly and got out before the New Age method of 'education' screwed with us all.

Anyway, back to the beat: The shows were fun in their cheesy, Panavision/Kraft-paper way. What else could keep me amused between commercials for Legos, Big Wheels, GI Joe and The Green Machine? C'mon, you feel it too! Admit it!

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I used to get up early and didn't want to miss a single episode of any SaMK shows. My favorite was land of the lost, but Sigmund was pretty cool, too.

I can't belive that was so long ago...

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It would be over twenty years before I would come across many of these shows again and they are aimed at kids, unlike Warner Bros. cartoons, so they don't have mature themes.

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Unlike MOST Warner BNors.carotons. Warners made some of those shows such as Josie. They owned Hanna-Barbera.Even the same voice actors.

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The overall conclusion or even the urban legend now is that brothers Sid and Marty Kroff must have done drugs when they created their shows, Pufnstuf, Lidsville, Sigmund, Bugaloos and so on.

Clearly, the Kroffts were infatuated with the Beatles, as musical groups are prevalent in many of their shows.

Pufnstuf has the English Jack Wilde as Jimmy.

Bugaloos has the English musical quartet group.

Kaptain Kool and the Kongs has a quintet (after Flatbush quits, a quartet). By this time, it was disco and Beatlemania was passe.

The Bay City Rollers would get the Krofft treatment (oddly enough on a show I did like).

Even their earliest work for Hanna Barbera was the musical group, the Banana Splits.

Drugs were prevalent at that time and becoming 'more acceptable' especially in Hollywood, which may or may not be another urban legend, however you want to look at it.

Granted, there is the folk song "Puff the Magic Dragon" which also has drug undertones, but Pufnstuf may merely be a play on the Magic Dragon song, so the Kroffts may not have had to actually do drugs to create the show.

Josie and the Pussycats name obviously came from the Tom Jones song What's New Pussycat?

During the late sixties, Saturday morning was coming under attack for violence, so with Scooby Doo, Krofft shows sought to usher in a kinder format, with Pufnstuf and Bugaloos.

Now in comparison to other real life shows at that time, such as Shazam and Isis, there is slightly off-kilter effects to the Krofft shows.

Even in comparison to Jim Henson's Sesame Street (which began the same year as Pufnstuf, 1969), the Krofft's stand strangely on their own.

Another show called the New Zoo Revue doesn't seem to go spiraling out of control like the Krofft shows do.

So cameramen, costumers, special effects guys, musicians, and other crew members, any of these more than likely did do drugs on any of these shows.

I doubt they were holding regular Bible readings.

Or maybe the Krofft brothers were simply creative.

Why is there no speculation that the creators of the Warner Brothers cartoons did drugs? They are just as off beat and tripping as the Krofft shows are.

Still, for this time, circa late sixties, there seems to be a need to attach drug use to both the Krofft shows and to Scooby Doo's Scooby snacks, which were actually supposed to be based on the excited dog, Snuffles, from Quickdraw McGraw cartoons who wouldn't do as he was told until he got a treat.

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Pufnstuf? Psychadelic colors? Talking mushrooms? A "magic" flute? hmmm.. sounds kind of blatent to me! lol

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Uh, hold the phone, Cochise: Krofft wasn't responsible for Scooby doo; It was Hanna-Barbera. </rant>

Scooby-Doo sucks wet hydrants.

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Wow. I'm 29. Thanks for making me feel really old, cuz I LOVED those shows when I was a kid. A 20-yr. old made me feel old. . . time to go jump off a bridge! lol




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I'm 32 and I remember watching them at the house I moved to when I was 6, in 1980. They had to have been in reruns at that point.

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And I'm 16 and I remember watching, and loving these shows when I was about 8. This would be in 1998.

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Obviously, these shows did show in reruns in some part of the country or world, though the only time I remember seeing them myself, was when I was a kid. And being 43 years old, I saw them when they were new. So if your are in your teens, 20s, or 30s, you definitly saw reruns!
Granted I didn't get into the drug scene until the late 70s, I actually enjoyed seeing the older cartoons ie bugs bunny, road runner etc. when tripping more than the stuff from Hanna Barbara. I really don't remeber why now, but on LSD, we could really relate to those old cartoons. In fact, we started to believe they were written just for us. Probably the drugs talking!
But I do firmly believe that the writers of these old Hanna Barbara shows had to be doing some kind of mind altering drugs.
I tried to watch some of these more recently on TVLand just to bring back some old memories, and they just seemed stupid now!
Sigmund was definitly my fav of those shows. Hey, you have not talked about Dynagirl here??? That was some HOT girls, and so were the girls running around on the Bananna Splits!

Its the end of the world as I knew it!!

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You mean "Electra-Woman and Dyna-Girl"? Pray tell, just WHO had the Electra-complex there?

O, the seventies; As we all sat in front of the TV on Saturday morning with a jumbo bowl of Lucky Charms, mesmerized (Many of you clothed only in a soaking wet diaper), while the adults fumed over the 1973 OPEC oil embargo...AH, yes, good times!

I think I'll jump my Evel Knievel bike toy over the neighbour's swimming pool. Dare me?

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Good times indeed... I was between 5 and 12 I guess when these shows were on so I saw them every Saturday before my baseball games in the afternoon. What was the cartoon where one gal was a total space cadet, she was all into Astrology? Her line was always,"Oh my stars!" Scooby was my favorite, but Hong Kong Fooey was a close second. Oh, was that three hour loop called "The Kroft Supershow"?

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eteller68: "What was the cartoon where one gal was a total space cadet, she was all into Astrology? Her line was always,"Oh my stars!"
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We really must start posting our ages in discussions such as these, as well as what drugs we have done.

lol!

Me, I'm 41, never done drugs, but ended up in therapy (doubt the drugs would have helped).

But just so everyone knows where I am coming from.

Now, I first thought of Elizabeth Montgomery on bewitched, as she would say 'Oh my stars' on that show, but then I realized who you must have meant.

Cartoon-wise, it was the cave girl, Wiggy, on The Pebbles and Bamm Bamm cartoons, from the Flintstones, a Hanna Barbera offering (since which shows were made by Krofft and which ones were HB also seems to be confusing some people) who would squeal "oh my stars!" at every little adventure.

The Pebbles and Bamm Bamm cartoon has a unique distinction of bringing together Sally Struthers of All In The Family to do the voice of Pebbles with Jay North who was Dennis the Menace a decade earlier to do the voice of Bamm Bamm.

We could also note that stand up comic Mitzi McCall did the voice of the other female friend, Penny. McCall's claim to fame? She and her husband, Charlie Brill, both appeared on The Ed Sullivan Show on February 9, 1963 to do their stand up comic bit.

Also on the show that night was the Beatles making their first American appearance.

McCall and Brill say they still get asked about that.

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They were definitely reruns (as you said). The only two people my age I know who have seen any of these are myself and my friend, and we are the most screwed up people I know. End of story. I'm not sure if it has anything to do with these shows or not, but yeah...

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You could say very early 30's as I am 38 and saw the mid 70's Krofft shows as they were new and not reruns. Pufnstuf and the other late 60's to early 70's must have been reruns at that time, but it was at the same time that Krofft was still on television as opposed to late 80's or early 90's. Television at that time, in my area, quit showing these programs all together, along with Schoolhouse rock and everthing else that was great about Sat. morning television.

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djrick62: "That was some HOT girls, and so were the girls running around on the Bananna Splits!"
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You really did do some drugs.

I have recorded a good assortment of The Banana Splits off Cartoon Network before all of these old classical shows were banished to Boomerang and CN has ended up showing all that garbage, but there were no 'hot girls' or 'fully developed young women dancing' on the Banana Splits.


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I am 34 now and i also remember the show from re-runs in Australia during the very late 70s or early 80s. This show always stuck in my mind for some reason, I must have only been about 7 or 8 when I first saw it re-run along with other 70s shows like Isis, Shazam, Bigfoot & Wildboy, etc. The Kroffts were certainly very creative guys and i recently bought the first season of Sigmond on DVD to watch with my own kids.

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A 29 yr old would have seen them in reruns just as I did being now 31, to answer the question of katana500. I saw them in reruns when I was out of school or even before I started and they did show them.



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Sid and Marty were around when I was 5 and I'm 40 now. The networks had a fall feature where they would show what the new programs were. The kids would wake up at six to watch Bugs, Justice League, Sid and Marty, et all with the big bowl of cereal. It was all over on Saturday Morning when Soul Train came on.

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Other than Land of the Lost, which ran for about three years, could have gone further but Rick Marshall played by Spencer Mulligan quit the show and it upset the fabric to have the uncle appear like that, I don't think any of the Krofft shows were successful beyond one year.

I know Rip Taylor turned up on Sigmund as a genie or something, but I saw none of that.

And Kapt Kool and the Kongs, or the Krofft Hour, would go from Dr. Shrinker, Wonderbug and Electra Woman and Dyna Girl to Magic Mongo, Bigfoot and Wildboy and Wonderbug (never did understand why it seemed they kept the worst one), so that was at least two years there.

When these guys left the air on Saturday morning, I never saw them again.

I would finally catch the first episode of Pufnstuf and Lidsville on CBS one Thanksgiving in the late 1990s, about three decades since I last saw them, and I was stunned.

I've since caught many of them, at best only one episode of some of them like Lost Saucer (all ya really need actually to get the point across).

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