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It's no wonder this movie didn't do well


If you read the IMDB reviews you're not alone... it's a rather dark film, Snoopy is angry and fights a lot, and it was going for a much more realistically human emotion, which is often uncomfortable.

Charlie Brown is also fairly angry throughout the film.

Everyone's angry, no one gives each other any benefit of the doubt, when Snoopy is kicked off the beach, Peppermint Patty gets angry instead of hoping Snoopy is alright...

Woodstock gets hurt a lot...

Snoopy just tried to taste the books in the library.
Snoopy picked out a book called The Bunnies, and he loves it!

awww Snoopy got kicked out of the library, sonofabitch!

Oh great now he's starting a fight with Linus and stealing his blanket... not cool Snoopy
No wonder this movie didn't do well, everyone's a dick
Now he's fighting with Lucy, who looks a lot like Sigourney Weaver.

No one wants to see Peanuts characters fight and act like shallow jerks...

Everyone getting hurt, and that music is so frenetic, and awful... should've kept with Vince Guaraldi.

Oh, great as if it couldn't get darker... now there's a super lilting, sad ethereal female singing song with a young blonde in a hospital room lol... holy *beep* this is torture.

Charlie Brown is still angry, he didn't get a letter, just complaining...

Snoopy and Charlie Brown are very estranged as well...

Now Snoopy and Woodstock have left home on an adventure to visit the girl I guess who sent him the letter.

They get kicked out of the bus, of course...

Snoopy and Woodstock together on the adventure is very cute. Best part so far.

It's turning into a Criminal Minds episode....



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Growing up, this was my least favorite Charlie Brown movie. Yes, it was quite dark and I personally found it really depressing. I used to wonder if I was the only one that noticed this as a kid.

I following always bugged me:

-The movie overall felt very joyless compared to the other ones. I didn't find anything fun in this movie.

-I agree Snoopy picking fights were not cool.

-The kidnapping girl. IMO, the worst scene in the whole movie is the girl that kidnaps Snoopy and Woodstock. I found it downright creepy, like a "silly" version of a crazed child kidnapper. She dressed up Snoopy in weird clothes and kept singing a really annoying song constantly. Oddly enough, if you cut out the entire scene, the plot would be no different.

-Snoopy farewell party. I understand it was supposed to be sad with Snoopy leaving, but it was plain weird seeing him open presents and cry at the same time. I always thought the scene where the piano is playing with everyone crying in the background looked extremely awkward even when I was a kid.

-Charlie Brown singing about missing Snoopy. It was down right depressing seeing Charlie waking up in the middle of the night mourning his loss. It was too much for me to see as a kid and I often fast-fowarded it. When that scene did play, I made me imagine what would happen if I lost a family member and had to deal with it like Charlie did and would really upset me to nearly tears.

-WAY too much crying in the film. It really annoying me to see this in a Charlie Brown film.

-When Snoopy realizes she can't stay with Lila at the end, he dumps her out of joy and runs off. That's pretty messed up. Lila also does a face palm which seemed really out of place.

-And the very end, Snoopy is back and demands everyone returns everything to him, and everyone is annoyed at Snoopy. That's supposed to be a happy ending?

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"-The movie overall felt very joyless compared to the other ones. I didn't find anything fun in this movie."

I think the boxing scene was fun, many scenes were very atmospheric, the 'farewell scene' is hilarious, and the music in the background of those two mentioned scenes couldn't be more 'fun' if it tried. You just gotta be more observant.

"-I agree Snoopy picking fights were not cool."

Snoopy does this a lot in the comics. What do you want, a diluted, lobotomized, non-Snoopy version of Snoopy?

"-The kidnapping girl. IMO, the worst scene in the whole movie is the girl that kidnaps Snoopy and Woodstock. I found it downright creepy, like a "silly" version of a crazed child kidnapper. She dressed up Snoopy in weird clothes and kept singing a really annoying song constantly."

This also happens in the comics, although in the movie, this is milked a lot and extended a bit much.

However, you can think of it this way; Snoopy is not a kid. So there's no kidnapping. Snoopy is an animal. How does this world treat animals? Look around. There are slaughterhouses so you can stuff systematically, brutally and bloodily murdered, innocent animals' flesh into your body to create health problems. There are pets that people treat completely wrong (People treat animals like people, which distorts and warps the animals' psychology and creates a lot of problems, just watch any episode of 'Dog Whisperer' or 'Cesar 911' to see how little people understand animal psychology, and how people don't even understand how different it is from human psychology), and then have them murdered.

People, without any kind of remorse, guilt or second thought, cut off animals' genitals so they would 'behave better' (bring animal from nature to artificial world, then cut their body to make them fit (behaviourally)). Just because they call this mutilation 'spaying' or 'neutering', doesn't make it right, or less painful.


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People think they have the right to treat animals any which way they want. Did you know that there are people that consider themselves 'good people' and completely ethically sound, that think it's all right to make Shamisen instruments out of cat and dog skin?

Then there's the whole meat industry, hunting industry, animal testing.. I bet you have not raised your voice even once in your life to speak against these 'normalized animal cruelty industries' that brutally murder and cause terrible pain to millions of animals every day. And yet you think it's shocking if a girl 'kidnaps' an animal and does whatever she wants with her (and it's not even anything that terrible, considering what actual animals have to suffer because of people much more evil than the girl in the movie).

I could go on, pointing out there are farms that enslave horses for bratty kids to ride on, what they do to Elephants in asian countries, and so on and so forth, but I think I made my point.

Animals have no rights in this world, so why shouldn't the kid 'dognap' snoopy? It's just an animal. If you disagree with this, you have to disagree with eating animals, enslaving animals, testing chemicals on animals (although it's not much of a 'test' to make 100 dogs to breathe cigarette smoke while running on treadmill until 50 of them are dead), wearing animal skin, making instruments out of animal skin, and so on.

But maybe your sympathy is narrowly defined instead of logical..

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"-Snoopy farewell party. I understand it was supposed to be sad with Snoopy leaving, but it was plain weird seeing him open presents and cry at the same time. I always thought the scene where the piano is playing with everyone crying in the background looked extremely awkward even when I was a kid."

What? You have to be kidding me! The funniest thing in the whole movie, and you don't like it? Just listen to the funky music in the background, how can you be sad to THAT soundtrack anyway?

I think their over-exaggerated howling and 'crying' is just so funny, and it's delightful to see people expressing emotions in an overtly fashion and then act like nothing happened afterwards. It also shows they care about Snoopy despite what he did (all is forgiven), so it's a touching moment as well.

Plus, it reflects very well a relatable life experience that most of us have probably gone through, where we have to give up our childhood home and go into the world, or leave our previous friends because of a move, etc. It does this perfectly, and the relatability soothes one's soul - "Looks like I am not the only one that went through something like this".

Awkward?? Could you elaborate on this? There's nothing awkward here, these are drawn characters, not real people, so how can awkwardness even exist??

"-Charlie Brown singing about missing Snoopy."

Do you have some kind of comprehension problem? Charlie Brown never sings about 'missing Snoopy'.

The lyrics and the melody traverse through the landscape of a much larger philosophical idea of how 'people leave' and 'would it be good if they didn't, or maybe it's better and inevitable that they do so you can meet new people'?

Did you even watch the same movie?

It's not depressing, it's relatable, it's describing unavoidable eventualities that we have to all learn to accept in life - it's like a life lesson. So you can't keep everyone in your life, people leave, that's just the nature of people. However, that's what life is.

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You just have to learn to accept you can't control other people. If you cling to the idea of trying to keep people in your life, you will either have to learn this lesson eventually, or become insane. This scene basically rescues you from insanity, be grateful.

"I made me imagine what would happen if I lost a family member and had to deal with it like Charlie did and would really upset me to nearly tears."

Do you mean to say "It", instead of "I"?

Anyway, if that's what happened, then it's GOOD! It means the scene taught you something valuable about life, so you can't go on living in your naive delusions and then be shocked when that happens - you will now know it WILL happen, and however SAD the experience is for you, in the long run, it's good that you experienced it, for you will be more prepared, psychologically and emotionally stronger, and you are forced to -face- life and its problems and inevitable eventualities instead of running away from your fears, which only leads to weakness.

So this movie and this scene in particular helped you, it made you stronger, and you complain?

"-WAY too much crying in the film. It really annoying me to see this in a Charlie Brown film."

This is not a 'Charlie Brown film', this is a Peanuts-, and Snoopy movie, but really, it's a 'Beautiful Story' filled with life lessons, drawn as a cartoon movie that stars the Peanuts gang.

Looks to me that all your misconceptions about this movie are the root cause of your irrational hatred of a beautiful and helpful work of art. You are being unfair.

I think the crying in this film is hilarious, how can you not laugh when you look at Snoopy howling and wailing like a cross between a wolf and a SJW?







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""-When Snoopy realizes she can't stay with Lila at the end, he dumps her out of joy and runs off. That's pretty messed up. Lila also does a face palm which seemed really out of place."

Wow, you are a master of misinterpretation! That's NOT AT ALL what happens!

What really happens, is.. Snoopy is torn, can't you realize that? He is torn between his old friends, his loyalty to everyone, and the old memories, and his ORIGINAL (remember this, by the way) love for Lila. Snoopy has always loved Lila, ever since he was a puppy, and that love isn't going anywhere.

He had to adjust to not having Lila in his life anymore when he was transferred to a new owner and met new people, learned to like them and be friends with them. Haven't you ever had an old memory of a long-lost friend stirring your soul, like re-awakening something that had been sleeping for years inside of you?

Snoopy doesn't know what to do, or what the right answer is, as both memories and loyalty to both loves are equally strong, so it's sad to leave the friends, it would be sad to lose Lila, and he considers it his obligation to go back to Lila, as she has NO ONE ELSE, and he knows the Peanuts gang has each other, and will always survive.

Lila is like his 'first love', in addition to being a delicate flower that can't survive without Snoopy. Snoopy knows he would be very happy with Lila, even though he'd miss the Peanuts gang.

He doesn't 'dump Lila' at all, and it's not 'out of joy' in any case. He realizes that when he CAN'T be with Lila due to circumstances, AND Lila has now some other companion, he's released from any obligation to be with Lila, and the experience had made him realize just how much he would miss the Peanuts gang and want to be with them, and that he doesn't, after all, love Lila as much as he thought.

The happiness comes from the wisdom of realization about which people are more important to him in the end, and that he can't leave the Peanuts gang after all.

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It also comes from not having to, and not even being able to, make a CHOICE about it, it has been made for him, so a lot of stress disappears, and the path is clear, there's only one thing he can and wants to do - the stress and sadness of having to leave the Peanuts gang would've been too much for him, the joy comes from him not having to make that sacrifice after all, he can have all his friends back!

He, after all, lived a long time without Lila and with those friends, therefore he knows he can do it again. He doesn't have recent experience in living with Lila, so he doesn't know if he could live without the Peanuts gang or with just Lila.

Lila doesn't need him anymore, and the circumstance force his hand, so he doesn't have to make that sacrifice, he doesn't have to make a choice and feel guilty, he doesn't have to have the weight of 'wrong choice' on his conscience for the rest of his life. He can just go back and forget all the problems, and life his life as usual, and it's a RELIEF.

So it's not so much 'joy' as relief that he didn't have to lose Peanuts - he'll always love Lila, but since she doesn't need him anymore, and 'the right choice' was made FOR him, he's relieved and can go back to the people that he, after all, loves the most. I am sure he and Lila will still meet from time to time and be good friends. The best of both worlds.

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"-And the very end, Snoopy is back and demands everyone returns everything to him, and everyone is annoyed at Snoopy. That's supposed to be a happy ending?"

Yes! Extremely.

It shows that Snoopy didn't change, so he's still the same, lovable character we always knew and cherished. People being able to be annoyed about him is what returns and resets things from 'weird and awkward' to 'normal and expected'.

Can you imagine if Snoopy had changed into some angelic being no one knew how to relate or respond to? That would've been a HORRIBLE ending! Can you imagine if Snoopy 'learned a lesson' and now treats everyone with silk gloves? Spineless SJW Snoopy! Is that really what you want to see??

No, the only truly HAPPY ending is resetting everything to the way it was, so we can have new adventures with the expected personalities, the same gang it always was, nothing fundamentally changing. People being annoying with each other is normal, it's a RELIEF there wasn't some 'sugary-syrapy' ending with everyone just being happy and without problems.

Peanuts was above that kind of d*sney nonsense, daring to show world AS IS instead of sugarcroated clichés. You really didn't know how to appreciate the unique and brave aspects of this wonderful movie, you expect to see the same clichés in everything you watch.. that's pretty pathetic and weak, in my opinion.

Also, it's a FUNNY ending, have you ever heard of humor? Dark things can be so funny. When someone falls in a comedy, do you feel angry and depressed about it and lament how something so horrible can happen, when it's not happy at all? Or do you realize someone getting hurt, crying or being mean can be extremely funny and hilarious?

I think it's the _PERFECT_ ending... I am so relieved we didn't have to wallow in the emotional sentimentality more than the story demanded, and that we returned to the 'reality we can understand and relate to' in the end.

To think otherwise is to want things sugarcoated and diluted...

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There was a book on the shelf titled 'Sambo'.

:-/

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It didn't do so well because people don't want to face the harsh realities of life.

Yes, it's dark and depressing but it's also unforgettable because of that. How many people can recall the more light hearted recent attempt? It's just another drop in the bucket. Children need to be exposed to darker themes or else how can they be expected to face them when they get older?

Children are coddled too much these days. Their modern day programming reflects this incessant need to be protected at all costs while robbing them of any emotion or feeling like these earlier classics.

Stuff like this reminds me of "Movie Poop Shoot.com" from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

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"Children are coddled too much these days. "

True.

However, I can understand why you don't want to have depression and 'harsh realities' pushed to your face when you're going for escapism. I mean, people already have to live in the 'harsh reality', from entertainment, they're allowed to seek escapism.

I still think this movie is brilliant.

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Well, it's the whole 'Peanuts style' which is more 'realistic and depressing' than 'funny and cartoony'.

I think people just couldn't get their head around the contrast between the visuals (cartoony style) and the actual content.

For most adults, if something looks 'drawn', it's for kids. Whether comic books, 'graphic novels', The Simpsons or Peanuts. The name 'Peanuts' doesn't help, of course, and Charles always hated it. Now I understand, why. The name doesn't fit AT ALL with what Charlie Brown, Snoopy and the others really are, experience and express. The message of 'Peanuts' is not a happy and cheerful one.

It's uncomfortable, depressing, dealing with difficult emotions and situations - even though the comic shows a lot of quirky, strange and funny moments and punchlines, the core of it all is that these are basically 'adultlike, emotional people' instead of just some superficial kids.

The specials, movies and shows reflected on this - Charlie never kicks the ball, never gets the girl (who doesn't even know Charlie Brown exists), adults are just 'background trumpet noise', dark, depressing and bad things happen, and there's never a 'happy resolution' or 'comfortable happy ending'. Things just basically 'reset' at best, and remain discouraging and depressing, even debilitating at worst.

Charlie never wins, never gets to be the celebrated hero (and if so, it's only temporary before even a deeper dive into embarrassing himself), Snoopy and Linus can be nasty, Lucy is basically a vicious demon, terrorizing everyone, and unfairly and shockingly VIOLENT against her younger brother (how many times has she hit him?)

But because it's drawn as 'cartoony style', and it has cute names, like 'Peanuts' and 'Snoopy', dumb audiences expect a typical, D*sney-happy perfect closure and comfortable and superficial message with neatly solved ending. But there's no resolution in 'Peanuts', there's only realistic depiction of how hard and depressing life really is.

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People used to be able to take 'darker' movies, even for children.

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"Oh great now he's starting a fight with Linus and stealing his blanket... not cool Snoopy"

You forgot a comma.

Anyway, this happens a LOT in the original comics, what did you expect? Snoopy is not an angel, he's not a perfect character. He has a lot of nasty qualities, look how he talks to the neighbour's cat in the comics, for example. Snoopy is egotistical and selfish - Linus painstakingly recreates the Sistine chapel paintings inside Snoopy's doghouse, and Snoopy DOESN'T CARE enough to even take a look!

"Snoopy and Charlie Brown are very estranged as well... "

Have you even read the comics? Charlie is basically Snoopy's forgettable man-servant, not a friend, not a playbuddy, not someone Snoopy respects at all.

Charlie Brown is not basically 'angry' per se, he's just depressed, and depression makes him more irritable, so he seems angry.

The reason this 'didn't do well' is just that dumb masses never understood what Peanuts REALLY is.

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