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tender mercies...crazy heart...why no love for this film?


why'd robert duvall and jeff bridges win oscars for the same kinda movie but this film/performance fell into (relative) obscurity? rip torn was robbed!

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Rip Torn was robbed, I agree. I also think the cynical nature of the plot and Rip's portrayal as such an unlikeable, unredeemable, complex angry person who comes to no good end doesn't make for Oscar material. DuVall and Bridges both found salvation and it seems that if you can't tie up the plot with a pretty little bow and have everyone make nice at the end, you don't get recognized. I was all into Crazy Heart until he went to one AA meeting and boom, he's all better, cleaning his stove and writing hit tunes. Oh, pluhleez!

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And what ever became of the rest of that cast? That "Rosamund McClintock" was gorgeous and gifted.

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Like many films made in the 70s, Payday is grim, moody and unpleasant with no happy ending, no finale tied up in pretty ribbons. Not like the BS Hollywood dishes out on a regular basis...like Crazy Heart.

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I'd say the obscurity for this film was absolute, not relative. I still have not tracked this down, but it looks very good. Rip Torn is a very rugged and believable actor, and this looks like the perfect role for him.

EDIT: Turns out I've had this on VHS in my collection for months, for the entirely reasonable price of 99 cents.

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The movie's on DVD from Warner Home Video, if you want it: http://www.amazon.com/Payday-Rip-Torn/dp/B000WBZ5X4/ref=sr_1_1?s=movie s-tv&ie=UTF8&qid=1403277863&sr=1-1&keywords=Payday

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Agreed. This film is superb. Rip Torn gives the performance of his career as Maury Dann. Moreover, this movie just reeks of harsh aunthenticy in its stark and unsentimental depiction of the behind-the-scenes dealings of the 70's country music milieu.

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I think the reason why Robert Duvall didn't win any Oscar for this movie is because there was no clown mask. I mean, how can you name a movie "Payday" but not include clown masks? It's a core concept that cannot be omitted. I think it's common knowledge.

Now take Payday: The Heist (2011) for example. There are clown masks! And it makes it so much better. The characters are so much more believable. For that reason, Dallas, Hoxton, Wolf and Chains could very well win Oscars.

Since the WolfPack DLC for Payday: The Heist (2011) is coming out on August 7th 2012 on Steam, I'm sure the jury at the next Oscars ceremony will be blown away with the extra content.

So unlike Payday (1973), Payday: The Heist (2011) will certainly not fall into (relative) obscurity for a long time.

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You mean 'Rip Torn'.

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I would agree. Rip is excellent in this unsung little gem.

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