So many questions


Has Mario Bava ever held a more lazily written script in his hands? Baron Blood may be a goodlooking and technically proficient film, but boy, did it leave me with some questions...

How does the supposedly wheelchair bound Alfred Becker get from one level to the other in the huge, sprawling castle? Even when he maintains his disguise as a cripple in the company of guests?

How does Otto von Kleist know where to find a doctor? And how does he manage to cash in his treasure hoard and establish a new identity in the blink of an eye? He seems to know an awful lot about present day Vienna for someone who's been dead for 300 years.

Why is Peter so eager to cast that damned spell? And why does Eva agree to being a part of it? At best, they cast the spell nothing would happens, making them look like complete idiots. At worst, they pointlessly bring back a dead mass murderer with a grudge against the world.

Does it strike anyone else as overly convenient that the professor just happens to know a psychic who just happens to own an amulet that holds the key to undoing the baron?



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In slasher movies, why do people always fall when they're being chased by the killer?

In "Superman", how can he fly? Everyone knows no one can fly.

How come every time I see a comedy, they happen to get in comedic situations?

Why the hell are there always odd-colored lights in Bava movies? No real lights shine those colors!

Does it strike anyone else as overly convenient that every single Hollywood action movie features a showdown between the main star and the main villain at the end, and the main star always wins by grabbing a weapon that just happens to be there?

The point of movies are to escape reality. If you pay that close attention to your movies and need everything answered, especially in a Bava movie, then perhaps movies are not for you. May I suggest a newspaper?

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You are clearly confusing internal logic with external logic.

The problem with Baron Blood is that the internal logic is so inconsistent. Yes, no movie's perfect, but that doesn't mean that you can't differentiate between a good movie and a bad movie, between a tight script and a loosey-goosey script.

A good script can definitely involve unlikely situations and scenarios, but my problem with Baron Blood is that the script doesn't even try to explain away the inconsistencies to make them easier for the audience to swallow. That, I think, is lazy, sloppy handywork.

Compared to Black Sunday, A Bay of Blood, and even Shock, this is a vastly inferior Bava.

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Good call on all fronts lauriescreams.

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keith,

lauriescreams says, thanks, and I work alone! 

Seriously, though, I agree w/you.

The other poster's response was irreverent and pointless.

It was just someone who likes being rude.

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by lauriescreams » Tue Nov 6 2007 02:20:02 Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2007
You are clearly confusing internal logic with external logic.

The problem with Baron Blood is that the internal logic is so inconsistent. Yes, no movie's perfect, but that doesn't mean that you can't differentiate between a good movie and a bad movie, between a tight script and a loosey-goosey script.

A good script can definitely involve unlikely situations and scenarios, but my problem with Baron Blood is that the script doesn't even try to explain away the inconsistencies to make them easier for the audience to swallow. That, I think, is lazy, sloppy handywork.

Compared to Black Sunday, A Bay of Blood, and even Shock, this is a vastly inferior Bava.


lauriescreams,

I agree w/your assessment. There were some funny moments in the movie that needed to be fixed. 

I don't think there's anything wrong w/your feedback.

People who reply with rude or irrelevant posts I guess have nothing better to do with their time than just be rude.

I mean why even bother answering someone if they're just going to be rude?

I always answer other people's posts w/legitimate replies. Otherwise, I don't reply because I'm NOT going to waste my typing with silly replies. LOL

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by LostintheDarknessofNight » Mon Nov 5 2007 15:46:38 Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2002
In slasher movies, why do people always fall when they're being chased by the killer?

In "Superman", how can he fly? Everyone knows no one can fly.

How come every time I see a comedy, they happen to get in comedic situations?

Why the hell are there always odd-colored lights in Bava movies? No real lights shine those colors!

Does it strike anyone else as overly convenient that every single Hollywood action movie features a showdown between the main star and the main villain at the end, and the main star always wins by grabbing a weapon that just happens to be there?

The point of movies are to escape reality. If you pay that close attention to your movies and need everything answered, especially in a Bava movie, then perhaps movies are not for you. May I suggest a newspaper?


Lostindarknessofnight,

The OP was just proving their points that there were some plot holes in the movie that lacked common sense.

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Hate to be a nitpicker, but I believe they did show an elevator for Becker's wheel chair.

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andrew,

Really? What scene was the elevator in because I missed that scene.

That castle was so cluttered.

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I agree lauriescreams. A great looking film and excellent direction from Bava. But a weak script hampers this lesser effort.

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Just rewatched the film and I'm wondering why Eva suddenly goes into a delerious state in the scene she's gives the baron the tapestry?

And come to think of it, how the hell did she know that the tapestry once belonged to the castle and isn't it a coincidence that she happened to be at an antique store that was carrying it?

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And why does she take an antique, presumably somewhat fragile tapestry and just fold it up like it's a towel for the guest room?

Spa fon? Squa tron!

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by catheadcatheadcathead » Tue Oct 5 2010 17:45:58 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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And why does she take an antique, presumably somewhat fragile tapestry and just fold it up like it's a towel for the guest room?


yea, as old as that textile is, then I'd think it'd practically break with her folding it like that!

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by smoovasbutter » Sun Oct 3 2010 19:12:51 Flag ▼ | Reply |
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Just rewatched the film and I'm wondering why Eva suddenly goes into a delerious state in the scene she's gives the baron the tapestry?

And come to think of it, how the hell did she know that the tapestry once belonged to the castle and isn't it a coincidence that she happened to be at an antique store that was carrying it?


I wondered why Eva acted like she was hallucinating too! 

I don't know why she suddenly seemed out of it. Maybe there was something in the air. LOL

Well, the antique store is in that small village, so I wouldn't think it's too far-fetched that the tapestry would be discovered @ an antique store. LOL

Remember, Eva was an expert on the castle's history, so she probably knew either by educating herself about the tapestry itself, or maybe the antique store dealer explained the provenance of the tapestry to her! 

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Thing that struck me is how you have a scene where Eva is chased around, inside and outside the castle, screaming, hysterical ... and then the next scene she is dead calm and completely composed ... cool as a cucumber. None the worse for wear at all. I think it would be better to show her progressively rattled..

Fails to keep an edge and that's one reason why..

It's flawed movie no doubt. The sets are spell-binding .. so much to see, curious objects, furniture, etc.. and some of the camera work is very interesting (such as Cotton in the wheel chair after winning the bid, you just see his face floating forward behind the those in attendance, and only later realize he's in a wheelchair..

And the work is earnest ... but could have been better.

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by paintedplates » Thu Feb 3 2011 05:36:21
IMDb member since February 2007
Post Edited: Thu Feb 3 2011 05:37:49
Thing that struck me is how you have a scene where Eva is chased around, inside and outside the castle, screaming, hysterical ... and then the next scene she is dead calm and completely composed ... cool as a cucumber. None the worse for wear at all. I think it would be better to show her progressively rattled..


LOL I noticed that too. Funny how she's able to quickly compose herself as if nothing ever happened! LOL

In one scene she's screaming like a banshee & in the next, she's calm! That me laugh too! 




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by lauriescreams » Sat Nov 3 2007 04:33:38 Flag ▼ | Reply |
IMDb member since September 2007
Post Edited: Sat Nov 3 2007 04:49:46
Has Mario Bava ever held a more lazily written script in his hands? Baron Blood may be a goodlooking and technically proficient film, but boy, did it leave me with some questions...

How does the supposedly wheelchair bound Alfred Becker get from one level to the other in the huge, sprawling castle? Even when he maintains his disguise as a cripple in the company of guests?

That's a good question. I just thought he wheeled himself around on the main floor! LOL



How does Otto von Kleist know where to find a doctor? And how does he manage to cash in his treasure hoard and establish a new identity in the blink of an eye? He seems to know an awful lot about present day Vienna for someone who's been dead for 300 years.


LOL I think Baron Otto von Kleist just lurks throughout the town & comes across the doctor. Remember, it's a small village, so it wouldn't be difficult.

Why is Peter so eager to cast that damned spell? And why does Eva agree to being a part of it? At best, they cast the spell nothing would happens, making them look like complete idiots. At worst, they pointlessly bring back a dead mass murderer with a grudge against the world.


Remember, Peter said he wanted to be able to speak with his ancestor from a different century, so curiosity is what inspired him to summon his long lost ancestor.

Does it strike anyone else as overly convenient that the professor just happens to know a psychic who just happens to own an amulet that holds the key to undoing the baron?


In the professor's defense, though, it's a small village, so I don't think it's as far-fetched as it sounds since the townspeople probably have lived there for centuries and NOT too keen on leaving their country for greener pastures. LOL

Apparently, they ♥ small village living. I'd get bored after an hour without any fancy stores to buy junk in, and no real restaurants to eat @ like Taco Bell! 

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