Lisa e il diavolo & La casa dell'esorcismo are two completely different films!
The first one is one of Mario Bava's masterpieces, very original and dreamlike, while the second is a stupid imitation of Friedkin's The Exorcist, with a lot of new scenes directed by Alfred Leone.
I think that they should add in the database a new page for Lisa e il diavolo, because, really, they are totally different!
Old news. Do a little research. I have one dvd with both films. Lisa and the Devil was recut to produce the second film. The first, in my opinion, was a masterpiece. The second had bare boobs.
shareI have this dvd too, and it's because of this that I believe they are two completely different films.
shareWell, to be fair..the first one had bare boobs too..
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Lord Ruthven here has a very good point. I was really surprised, in a very bad way, when I found with the search 'Lisa and the devil' an IMDB page only for House of Exorcism. They really can't sum up these two movies together like this.
Yes, two different pictures. Totally. Lisa and the devil really should have it's own IMDB page. The situation now is pretty much like some cheap-skag producer inspired by Dirty Harry would've shot some blood-spattered extra material with Clint Eastwood, then took The Good, The Bad and The Ugly and cropped and re-edited the half of it out while adding up all the new material, and re-titled his abomination as "Dirty Harry Cleans Out The Wild West". And today we would only be able to vote these two films as one, depending on which version we would've seen.
That's _exactly_ what has happened here. This needs to be fixed.
"The horror... The horror."
Lo and behold, it HAS happened! Someone out there has eyes AND reason! A big, BIG thank you for the administrator who's in charge of this!
"The horror... The horror."
No it hasn't mate. They are still under the one title. I actually put in a correction submission a few months back to have the two movies seperated, and it took a lot of effort, but it was rejected. I agree with the original poster that they should have seperate entries on the IMDB. It's a travesty that they do not. Both movies have diametrically opposite tones and were released on seperate years so they should be seperated. After all films such as Boogeyman 2 and Return of the Boogeyman are listed as standalone films despite containing 90% recycled footage from the original Boogeyman. If these cynical movies are listed as seperate works then surely Lisa and the Devil should be given the same treatment.
On a happier note, a while ago I did successfully submit a change for the IMDB to change the title of the film on this site to Lisa e il Dialvolo from La casa dell'esorcisto. Which I'm sure you'll agree is much better.
Here is the discussion I started on the Contributer Board regarding this very issue:
http://www.imdb.com/board/bd0000042/nest/147517641?d=147517641#1475176 41
Good job with the facts and the legend. Very vindicative, very well put. I never could've said it as well. It didn't bear the fruit yet, but if this goes people at the IMDB who are aware of the history of the European horror film, we may have the case. What now - join the mob or let the time take it's toll? :D
"The horror... The horror."
Thanks buddy. I appreciate the kind words. I don't know what the answer is but I would think that it's not quite a lost cause yet.
shareMe neither. You brought out good points and history, and looked like there was at least one person who learned something new about the facts behind the mx-up, so all in all that was a small victory - maybe there's one personnow more who wishes to see the film. :)
In the early 90's when I first time heard of Lisa e il Diavolo, it was thought that that the film in it's original form was lost. Later I recall seeing it first time in the late 90's on Finnish Broadcast TV, and was struck. Very different Bava film, although the major elements of his works are still there. Certainly not for anyone, but potentially rewarding for a film affecionado.
After that I saw House of Exorcism, and it nearly drove me to tears -it was that bad a rip-off and a complete slaughtering of Bava's work. The worst part of it was that the original had been refound and saved, but STILL this piece of lowest kind of exploitation rip-off (by the definiton of including pure, down-right stealing of other's work for commercial purposes) is remembered, and the original behind it is almost forgotten. Although there are the DVD versions now available for both films, they get mixed up constantly.
Actually, kinda dumb considering that the vote base of the IMDB is in many cases more of a popularity contest that the definite rate of the film, still it ticks me off the most that this quite unique and artistically high aiming piece of delirium fantasy is now mixed up with the dreg that became The House of Exorcism. Screw the points, but let's just get the facts straight:
Two. Different. Films. Definitely. See for yourself, if you don't believe it. Then come back and say whether we're right or wrong.
I'm with you on this, all the way.
"The horror... The horror."
Well I managed to get the poster on the title page ammended now to the Lisa and the Devil one. Small victories I know, but at least they are something...
Aww just like Sister Ray said...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3420392/
apparently, it's done!
Yeah, I submitted it as a New Title on 23rd December and believe the film's page had been created before the New Year.
shareNow, ladies and gentlemen, exactly how cool is that?! :D
Now, if only we had some way to get the ratings balanced. Well, in time, in time... But this is great, indeed!
"The horror... The horror."