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If Diana had won the Oscar...


If Diana had won the Oscar would her movie career have turned out differently? Probably not. As a teenager in the 70s I was a HUGE fan and collected press cuttings of movie projects announced for her, and some of them sounded pretty awful. For example, a musical remake of Breakfast at Tiffany's (playing a hooker), a remake of Born Yesterday (playing the "dumb" Billie Dawn), etc. In 1976 Diana was "seriously considering" the script to a mouth-mangling film called Ursa Corregiodora (the name of a black slave on a 19th century Brazilian plantation). Oscar or no, Diana should have made the Josephine Baker story. That was her destiny. Re: Liza Minnelli, who beat Diana to the 1972 Best Actress Oscar, her movie career didn't last either. With the exception of New York, New York, it was all downhill after Cabaret (Lucky Lady, A Matter of Time, Arthur, Arthur on the Rocks, Rent a Cop, and other unmentionables).

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I agree she was better than Liza (slightly). It was problably a close call for many voters. If she had won maybe a few studio executives would have found projects for her.

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I agree. Diana winning the Oscar might have led her to starring in a film about Josephine Baker. At least she hasn't degenerated to a 'Razzie' nomination fpr Worst Supporting Actress...which Liza has just been announced for. I do think, when given the chance, Liza can be a fine actress, but so few have given her those chances and her list of film credits is awful. Give or take the occasional TV movie, Diana had the sense to stop making films after The Wiz (although I loved her in it, in spite of being aware I was in a minority).

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Diana Ross in the Wiz I love it too! I own all of her films because they all have heart and soul.

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I agree Diana was marvellous in the role but I think by and large the film was a bastardisation of Holiday's life. I'll admit that they didn't shy away from the drugs and the seamier aspects of Holiday's life but Louis MacKay (as portrayed by Billy Dee Williams), surely he was a violent and abusive thug. He practically comes out of this as the second coming of Christ in his patience with Holiday's behaviour and flaws. And Holiday's first husband Jimmy Monroe is never even mentioned.

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Sorry, but Liza Minnelli has made several good films before and after "Cabaret": "The Sterile Cuckoo" (Oscar nomination, 1969), and "New York, New York" (which many regard as a masterpiece way ahead of its time), and "Arthur", her biggest commercial success, nine years after "Cabaret."

She also made a wonderful little film in 1991 called "Stepping Out", a major studio release, that was simply dumped into the October marketplace after Paramount changed studio heads.

"Awful" is not a word I'd apply to Liza Minnelli's film career. "Cabaret" alone has assured a place in movie history.

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"Arthur" was (and is) a classic!

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I also loved Diana Ross in "The Wiz" and own the DVD.

I remember back in 1978, she was criticized for being too old for the part of Dorothy - as compared to the teenage Stephanie Mills, who originated the role of Dorothy in the 1975 Broadway musical
"The Wiz" and the teenage Judy Garland, who played the role of Dorothy in the 1939 movie version of "The Wizard of Oz".

However, 1978 was a long time ago, before online streaming, DVD, Blu Ray and even VHS players were a part of everyone's home. It's no longer unusual for the part of Dorothy to be played by a grown woman like in the Broadway musical "Wicked" (soon to become a featured movie w/grown actors) and the movie "Oz" with James Franco and Michelle Williams.

"The Wiz" was nominated for 4 Academy Awards. The late and great Sidney Lumet directed the movie. His mother in-law, the late, Lena Horne, has a cameo, as The Good Witch. The late, Michael Jackson, plays the Scarecrow. The music is still great. And so now, you can just sit back and enjoy Diana Ross, give a great performance without - "She looks too old to be playing the part of Dorothy" running through your mind.


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Although I loved Liza in "Cabaret", I feel Diana should have edged her out for the Oscar simply because she breathed life into the character of Billie Holiday (as the producers saw her). It was a true performance. Liza was simply brilliant just being Liza.

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After LSTB, Ross was offered many different roles - two which ended up going to Streisand.

'A Star Is Born' was originally written as 'Rainbow Road' back in 1974, with Carly Simon/James Taylor in mind to star (neither one of them had any desire to be Hollywood actors, so they turned it down). In late 1974/early 1975, Sonny & Cher were considered to replace them, but the studio thought it wise to pass on them as well since they were in the midst of a very public, nasty break-up (their divorce was finalized at the end of June). The producers then turned their attention to Diana Ross, wanting to pair her with David Bowie (who was an aspiring actor at that time). It's been said both Ross and Bowie were interested, but the studio execs became rather nervous - cautious about a mixed-race romantic relationship would find an audience in 1975-76, and not convinced another all-black musical would be a box office success. They wanted to replace Ross with Cher (opposite Bowie),but then Streisand swooped in - and the rest is history.

A few years later, the project 'The Main Event' was written for Diana Ross, a romantic comedy (more emphasis on the comedy than the romance which made the studio happy) which would star her and her 'then boyfriend' Ryan O'Neal. The writers first sent the project to O'Neal, and his agent Sue Mengers loved it - but would only let him do it only if (her other client) Streisand partnered with him once more (a quasi-sequel tot he 1972 hit 'What's Up, Doc?'). So once again, Streisand was in and Ross was out - before she even got the formal offer.

"The Bodyguard' was then sent to Ross and O'Neal in 1980, but once again - the studios were hesitant on an interracial romance (The original 'TME' was a comedy between two business partners - who eventually fall in love at the end). That ended up taing 12 more years to film.

Aside from 'The Josephine Baker Story' (which was to be titled 'Naked at the Feast' like the biography which they were using) there was a remake of the 1981 French movie 'Diva' which Ross wanted to do. However, she wanted to make a major change to the story - have more emphasis on 'the diva' (Ross) and make her an American pop star rather than an opera star. It never got approved, and fell apart.

It was also said there was a 1980's movie in development called "Jazz Babies", starring Ross, Streisand and Bette Midler. The musical focused on three jazz singers travelling together in Europe during WWII. That never materialized either.

Other projects Ross was rumored to pass on (since 'The Wiz'): "The First Wives Club", "The Color Purple" (as "Shug Avery"), and "Eve's Bayou".


As for Minnelli, many have said her Oscar win in 1972 was more of an homage to her mother Judy Garland from the Academy, as she had died in 1969. Garland never competitively won an Oscar during her Hollywood career (she received a 'special children's award for TWoO in 1940) and many felt giving one to Minnelli 'made up' for that over-sight. It was close, but competitively - Ross really should have won.








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If the Academy wanted to Minnelli an Oscar because of her mother Judy Garland, my guess is they would have given it to her in 1970 when she was nominated for the Sterile Cuckoo. This would have been just less than a year after Garland's passing; her death would have been still fresh in the voters' minds.

The year 1973 is too long a time to make up for anything; Liza deserved to win and it was her performance that made Cabaret a GREAT classic. Lady Sings the Blues isn't.

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You didn't mention one other factor. Diana Ross is very much the diva and something of a control freak. She demanded a lot of control over the making of prospective movies she would star in, control that people declined to cede to her just because she's Diana Ross.

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Diana Ross was completely robbed of an Oscar, she brought such truth, realism and beauty to the role, although Lady Sings the Blues doesn't exactly mirror the life of Billie Holiday it was a brilliant yet sad and honest film.

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The problem with LSTB isn't Ross's performance, which is fine for what it is, but the fact that this movie is only nominally about Billie Holiday; the woman portrayed by Ross on the screen bears little resemblance to Holiday (mainly because she is miscast), and to make matters worse they let Ross do her own singing when they should have dubbed her (the results are so bad I had a laughing jag the first time I saw this thing).

The thing is, LSTB just isn't that good a film. In terms of plot it is a mess, an uneasy blend of fiction and half truths with only a little of the reality of Holiday's life on display. Billy Dee Williams is pretty to look at but they must have told him not to give a performance at all for fear of upstaging their Diva, because he might as well have phoned this one in. As for Richard Pryor, I can't decide if his performance was good or not. It has its moments, most notably a scene with Ross where they are both getting high (a scene Ross claimed was mostly improvised and which actually was one of her better moments in the film), but in other scenes he appears out of his element, and once again, the whole thing is so carefully arranged around the Diva that his character sort of gets lost in the shuffle.

This was neither a great film nor a great performance. Ross proved that she could act, no question, but she was not prepared to take on a complex and intricate role, and the problem was exacerbated by the fact that because of the script what we end up with is mostly Ross and very little Holiday.


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Diana was good in LStB, but Liza was brilliant and incandescent in Cabaret. Liza deserved to win the Oscar.

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Personally, I was rooting for Cicely Tyson that year.

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Sorry, the truth is Ross couldn't turn in an Oscar-winning performance at gunpoint.

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a musical remake of Breakfast at Tiffany's (playing a hooker)


Completely agree with you about an Oscar win probably not have changing anything for Diana, and that she should have done the Josephone Baker story. That would have been great.

Also agree about your comments regarding Liza (with a "z").

Do not completely get your "Breakfast ..." comment. If you read Capote's book, Holly Golightly is a prostitute. They may not have been able to say that in the movie, with the vestiges of the Hay's code still in play, but it's pretty obvious.

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Yes, Diana Ross should of play the great actress Josephine Baker. It wasn't to be.








































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