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Brotherly familiarity...(SPOI LERS)


There seemed to be moments of an almost discomforting familial closeness between Nicholson and Dern's characters. It seemed more than just brotherly estrangement and unresolved conflict to me. I'm not suggesting a sexual history between the brothers, but I think that Nicholson's character was closeted (though his older brother seemed aware and nonchalant regarding it).

There were some curious moments.

Their first hug on the boardwalk was undeniably tense, it piqued my curiosity. The odd scene in the hotel room when Dern's character asks Nicholson's character why he always moves away and then they hug; the scene in the lobby with the leatherclad afro'd guy who says he knew a "sweet"(hood slang for gay) guy like Nicholson's character who had a little Derringer?; the curiousity Nicholson's character shows about his brother's 3-way relationship with the women though lack of interest in hooking up with either when presented with the opportunity; the scene when Nicholson's character wanders into the bedroom, sits on the bed, then handles the dildo (a particularly interesting and surreal scene with his tape player running in the background and the hazy, slowness of the camera just before the two guys come in).

The subtext made Marvin Gardens, an otherwise straightforward bad-seed/old-habits-die-hard story MORE interesting than its noir-ish Chinatown DVD packaging and blurb copy would suggest. I liked it alot because of it.

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One critic said that it's really about bipolarity, the two brothers reflections of the same person.

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Apparently it's based on Rafelson's relationship with his own brother, so the idea that they're the same person is probably overthinking it. But of course there's definitely the contrast between introversion and
extroversion.

I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.

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I disagree on the incestual homosexuality. I don't know if you have brothers, but from my experience brotherhood can be filled with rage, loyalty and separation. I personally believe it was a case of Nicholson believing in his charismatic elder brother's mad delusions one to many times and feeling disappointed in him because he is full of sh/t.

At the same time from what we saw Nicholson was a rather sad fellow- seemingly lonely and not living a particularly eventful life (his recordings indicated that plenty). His brother seemed to be living a wild free life; complete with risk, women and doing what he pleases (until a point). He was intrigued by the weird relationship his brother had with these two women (it was pretty weird you must admit). And while he was presented with an oppurtunity with the women I think he was interested but basically too shy to do anything about it. Actually you could generally describe his fault being he's too afraid to take a risk.

So no I personally don't think it was a homoerotic incestuous thing going on.

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I don't see any homo-eroticism either.

As an older brother myself, I can certainly relate to trying to "be the man" whenever my brothers are around -- trying to dress up some of the more bland aspects of existence, turning them into something more exciting.

I think Nicholson does a particularly remarkable job of playing the jaded, sullen intellectual who -- despite "knowing better" -- still reveres his big brother in spite of all evidence that he shouldn't. He's all but powerless to counteract Dern's avalanche of fluent BS because he loves him, and wants his respect. Dern's character is a master of withholding and supplying flattery to suit his ends.

I could spend all day imagining these characters as kids.

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