weakest scene (spoilers)


I liked this movie, but to me the weakest part is the montage of him fighting a series of Crow near the end. It seems out of place in the movie and just doesn't seem to fit stylistically with the rest of the film.

reply

[deleted]

I agree. Those scenes would be more at home in a Rambo movie.

I am Bear Claw Chris Lapp; blood kin to the grizzer that bit Jim Britcher's ass!

reply

I thought they were fine. It might not have been how I would have made the movie, but it just went to show how incessant, constant, routine, even monotonous it had all become - to show how numb he had become to it. It was dying and killing, but it had become a way of life for him, and he wasn't going to leave or yield.

It certainly wouldn't have been better to show every single fight, because that would've made it - even more - monotonous for the viewer.

reply

I don't know... If I came home and found my wife and child raped, mutilated and dead I would at least try to do the same thing. I'm no Rambo or great fighter but I would probably try to find the ones who did it and go ape sh*t on them. I think this scene did fit pretty well into the movie and it sets the stage for the whole second half of the film.

reply

I actually like the montage, but the ´weak´ part of it would be that the slow-motion shot of the Crow warrior hurling his spear is repeated in a later scene, but at a different filming speed and angle. Still, it doesn´t hurt the film much (And maybe it even makes it a bit surreal). =P

"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!"
-Los Hijos Del Topo

reply

It follows a true story, based on the life of Liver-Eatin Johnson:

"1847, his American Indian wife was killed by Crow Indians, which prompted Johnson to embark on a 20-year vendetta against the tribe."

Had to be in there.

reply


The one I'm watching right now. Redford shaves his beard off and the family plays "hockey" together.

reply

Read the book. Everyone has his snapping point!

reply

I didn't have any problems with the scenes or the framing of this movie.

The ONLY thing I wish could be improved upon was the sound effects of the great outdoors. Maybe it was due to technological limitations or the budget constraints, but it would be awesome to see this film with a remixed soundtrack (not the music) where we can hear the Three Dimensional sounds of the wind through the trees and the glistening of the mountain streams. To me the sound was very analog in nature.



(¯`i´¯)´·¸.)‹^›

reply

The ONLY thing I wish could be improved upon was the sound effects of the great outdoors. Maybe it was due to technological limitations or the budget constraints, but it would be awesome to see this film with a remixed soundtrack (not the music) where we can hear the Three Dimensional sounds of the wind through the trees and the glistening of the mountain streams. To me the sound was very analog in nature.
Totally agree. But that seems to happen to a lot of great movies - they weren't expected to be great when they were made, so they have budget constraints here or there. Sound effects are often a place that didn't make the budget cuts in a lot of those movies from the 70s.

reply

Whatever, it spread his mythology about him being unvunerable and like the crazy woman, the Indians thought he was bad medicine (for them anyway) and decided it best to leave him alone. I think this is similar to "The Outlaw Josey Wales" where he builds up such a reputation killing people that are trying to kill him. This went on so far and long that when John Vernon met him at the end and knew who he was, just pretended to believe the story that he was dead and left him alone. Revenge drove Wales a long way and when he finally killed the redleg it was like he woke from a bad dream.

reply

"I guess we all died a little in that damn war."

reply

that's a great analogy RW. Funny thing is that Eastwood was suppose to star in this film with Peckinpah directing before Redford & Pollock were brought in.
I would imagine crazy Sam and the low key Eastwood clashing on just about everything if they worked together.

reply

The weakest scene of the movie, in my view is JJ's fighting with wolves/jackals (what were they?!). He could and should have used his weapons which I think he had in more than one number and loaded too as he was on his hunt trail. I don't think one human being can fight and survive almost half a dozen such fierce and blood-thirsty animals.

reply

He could have figured that ammo was precious and that he could scare away a few hungry animals, but got overwhelmed. After awhile he did try getting off a few shots but kept getting attacked.

reply