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The reasons behind Carlo's betrayal


I am still shocked by Carlo's death, it is truly horrible. Having married into the Corleone family, he then took out all his frustration and resentment on Connie. Carlo felt sidelined, as he felt he deserved a big position within the family. His humiliating beat down by Sonny in public must have burnt him so much. He wanted revenge, and it would have been easy to turn him. Surely, he should have known that once he decided to betray the Corleones, there would only be one result?Michael would not let that go.By the way, his reasons for betrayal are not that far from Fredo's as we would discover in Part 2.

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Remember at the wedding Tom asked the old man whether they should give him a position of import. The old man was adamant:::just a living, nothing more.

ADDENDUM:::Like you said Sonny beats him up in the streets, but, the poor thing is running numbers with a bunch of kids like a loser.

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Yeah but he was a wife beater first. That’s why Sonny handed him his ass, and the garbage can over his head. It’s not like the family was going to give him a job parking cars.

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But, that's permitted in Italian families.

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Not in a Don's family.

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In the novel ( and in a line of throwaway movie dialogue) the Don makes it clear that what happens between Carlos and Connie is their business, not his or his sons. That is old world thinking. The Americanized Sonny obeyed until it was no longer tolerable. IMO, Sonny was correct.

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Thank you. Yes, he was. Glad Sonny felt that way, because what ensued is one of my favorite scenes in the film, especially when he deigns to bit Carlo's hand, which I believe Caan adlibbed.

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Michael still thought the old world way. Think about his treatment of Kay and the dialogue after the hearing. Based on the relationship in the novel of Vito and his wife, the Don was more Americanized than Michael.

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In the Godfather Saga just before The Godfather, Tom and Sonny talked about Sollozzo, there's an extra scene where Connie and Carlo are already fighting, despite being married less than a week. Sonny is concerned about that and wonders if he should "talk" to Carlo about it. The Don waves him off and basically tells him to mind his own business. Likewise when Carlo tells Connie to shut up and the table, Sonny yells about him, but Mama tells him to stay out of it. Not saying being a wife beater was the reason they refused to give Carlo anything good, but they definitely weren't as bothered by it as they should have been. It's no clear what it was about Carlo that the Don didn't like, but he didn't think that highly of him before he started beating his wife.

His reasons for betraying the family were pretty simple and actually made sense. The Don, Tom Hagen and the other capos never had any respect for him. And the only person who ever seemed to like him, Sonny, just viciously beat him in the middle of his neighborhood in front of all his guys. It was still unknown if Michael would ever be able to return, so taking out Sonny could have crippled the Corleones and made it possible for him to work for Brazini, doing something much better.

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But, why did they reject Carlo at default? Sonny brought him home.

He was just out before he was in.

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It's not clear why the Godfather didn't think highly of Carlo. Maybe he didn't like the fact that he already needed his father in-laws help to make a living and wasn't able to do it on his own.

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Seems Vito was a superb judge of character. We see Sonny make an ass of himself with the Sollozzo deal; he just wasn't all the sharp.

Vito had him sized up correctly as someone who couldn't be trusted. I guess he never made the leap that Carlo would actually set up his son.

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I don't understand why he let Carlo marry his daughter in the first place, given his negative feelings.

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I don't understand why he let Carlo marry his daughter in the first place, given his negative feelings.

In the book, Connie Corleone is described as rather plain. Carol is very handsome and she was in love with him. So the Don, wanting happiness for his daughter did not object to this marriage.


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Yeah, but Sonny was the one who brought Carlo into their home and paired him up with Connie in the first place. That right there shows us that Sonny didn't have the foresight to be a good Don, as Vito confided to Michael during their garden meeting. Carlo thought that Sonny was christening him for a sweet position in the Family Business but after the disappointment of only getting "a living" being a babymaker and dutiful son-in-law, he figured that he would get more by working with Barzini who I'm sure promised him something much bigger (but was probably lying about it anyways).

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He was a wife beater and he deserved that beatdown Sonny gave him, then he betrayed his family all because he got embarrassed in front of his neighborhood. He was a coward and he got what he deserved.

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Carlo was dumb. He should have known that he was going to get his butt kicked by Sonny for abusing Connie. He set up Sonny to be killed on the causeway for various reasons. Not just for revenge but I strongly think that someone from one of the other families bribed him. How could he not know that Michael would have him whacked eventually for his actions?

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One of the other families made Carlo and offer he no refuse. Ironic, Fredo got used the same way in number two.

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I am still shocked by Carlo's death, it is truly horrible. Having married into the Corleone family, he then took out all his frustration and resentment on Connie.


I'm a big dude, and I couldn't pound a little guy with no chance of beating me. Call me old fashioned, but beating a woman makes it unforgivable.

In other words, there's no amount of "frustration and resentment" I could experience that would make me beat up a defenseless woman, much less a pregnant one as well.

Carlo was a piece of shit.

The Don knew, Michael knew it, and that's why he got exactly what he deserved.

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..and what a wonderfully satsisfying scene when Michael finally comes in to lay it on the line to Carlo:

First of all, Carlo's already on the phone to his co-conspirators...who are now all dead..so..busted.

Then Michael comes in and lays it all on the line. Barzini's dead. Tattliglia's dead. They're all dead(I can't recall if he relates that Tessio is dead, or gonna be.)

Its sort of like the satisfaction a mean papa gets confronting his son with how he knows what bad the son has done. And there is also Michael's personal satisfaction in getting to TELL Carlo what the mob world will soon know: they were wrong to count Michael out. All competition has been wiped out, all of those who thought Michael didn't have the balls, or the juice, to run the family are dead.

And Carlo receives all of this information first. Poor guy.

Three last coup de graces:

ONE: Michael: 'So don't insult my intelligence..." High pressure. C'mon, Carlo...spill.

TWO: "It was Barzini." Carlos spills. Evidently never heard of the phrase "deny, deny, deny." But maybe its a load off..and Carlo is hoping for mercy. He's married to Michael's sister . Michael is the godfather of his son.

THREE: How Michael after saying "your punishment is(banished to Vegas") brusquely pushes Carlo away when the latter tries to offer thanks. "Get out of my sight." I think this is a way to keep Carlo thinking "its all over, nothing more to worry about" AND for Michael to not even honor Carlo with false pleasantness at the end. Michael doesn't do that.

And then its out to the car with Clemenza, and the final murder in The Godfather.






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I note this as well:

Tessio was, at least, driven away to face whatever his death will be away from witnesses, and Michael doesn't come out to watch(Tom Hagen sticks around to watch the car go away...a last offer of respect to Tessio.)

But with Carlo...Michael comes out to watch. The execution -- which is a long, painful strangulation via garrotte - is carried out where Michael can see it. Carlo never deserved the deference that Tessio was given.

A great scene. But then , The Godfather is filled with them.

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without the deleted scene mentioned by Sandman81 earlier in this thread, it's unclear if Carlo had always been abusive or if this only started after the Corleones went to war with Tattalia/Barzini, because in the final cut, the first sign of trouble is when the Don's returned from hospital. Just before the "pop never talked business at the table" meal Carlo's looking broody and Connie asks what's wrong and he tells her to shut up, so it could be interpreted that Carlo's behaviour was all part of a set up to eventually lure Sonny

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Man, I read the book back in the 70s. I guess it's high time for me to reread it.

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