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A few plotholes the story *major spoiler warning*


well, first off all i loved this movie but i had a few logical questions which makes me wonder how the actual killer didnt get caught earlier.

1) Ill start with the minor ones, the assistant working for Mrs Blaney, she kept the records of all the clients and she knew Rusk had "peculiar" tastes and demands, why didnt she mention his name to the police when they first came in? Im sure the police must have gone through the registry at least once. I know you'll tell me that she saw the husband leaving and so she didnt bother to mention, but the police at least have to go through the registry right?

2) Why did the other patients help Blaney? I mean considering that he was accused of rape. If i was one of the patients i would have bought the story the media fed me and wouldnt have helped Blaney at all. I mean after all only Blaney and Rusk really knew what had happened, while the inspector hadnt brought anything out in the open yet. The patients must have known he was a rapist. Why would anyone help an alleged rapist in the hospital?

These are some scenes which i failed to see it happening in real life

3) Inside the truck, Rusk breaks Bab's fingers, almost touches her legs 3-4 tims with his bare fingers, you would at least expect some thumb prints or fingerprints to be there!!

4) *MAJOR SPOILERS* in the final scene, Blaney opens the door to find the woman unconscious. Which means Rusk had closed the door. But when the inspector comes in and hears Rusk carrying the huge casket, he only closes it halfway. Wouldnt Rusk have been suspicious that the door wasnt shut and was unlocked???

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1) Ill start with the minor ones, the assistant working for Mrs Blaney, she kept the records of all the clients and she knew Rusk had "peculiar" tastes and demands, why didnt she mention his name to the police when they first came in? Im sure the police must have gone through the registry at least once. I know you'll tell me that she saw the husband leaving and so she didnt bother to mention, but the police at least have to go through the registry right?
Knowing someone has peculiar tastes is not the same as thinking they could be a rapist and murderer. This was 1972 and public consciousness on sexual deviancy, especially in Britain, would not have been very high. I also believe that the assistant was quite a sour woman and seemed to be vindictive towards Blaney. Her prejudices about him may have prevented her from making any other connections. The police could only go through the registry, I'm imagining, with a warrant and for that they would need to have a justified belief that it was a client and not her husband. Even if they did or had gone through the client papers we don't know what was recorded against Rusk's card, which was in an alias name too.
3) Inside the truck, Rusk breaks Bab's fingers, almost touches her legs 3-4 tims with his bare fingers, you would at least expect some thumb prints or fingerprints to be there!!
I'm not sure that forensic knowledge of dusting victims' fingers was well used in 1972. Even if it were the police would have to believe that they needed additional evidence to catch the killer, which they didn't as they believed it was Blaney about whom they had plenty of circumstantial evidence. Also we don't know what thought they gave to the broken fingers - they may not have thought they were broken by the killer.

Points 2 & 4 I'd have to watch the film again before I could offer an informed opinion.
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Those are good plothole questions, and I think Frenzy has some "wobbly logic" at times(more on that momentarily), but I think answers can be offered:

1. One key point Frenzy makes is that Oxford and Scotland Yard are so sure that Blaney is the killer("There isn't even the complication of another suspect" says the Inspector to his wife) that they don't even think to investigate Brenda's other clients. But when they DO -- when Blaney has fingered Rusk -- Monica Barling remembers Rusk immediately(though he called himself "Mr. Robinson") the case against Rusk falls into place just as easily as the case against Blaney had (the potato dust being key.) In other words, says Frenzy: it is just as easy to build a case against the WRONG man as it is to build a case against the RIGHT man.

2. We never saw Blaney convincing the crooks, but I think he COULD. Why would he rape his ex-wife before killing her? (Mrs. Oxford pointed that out to her husband) Why would he rape and kill his best girl? And he could detail how Rusk switched Babs clothes into his bag. Also: sometimes crooks can suss out "non-crooks." Blaney is such.

3.I agree on the limited aspect of fingerprints in 1972. Goes for the ties, too. Plus, they didn't have Rusk's fingerprints if he had no criminal record.And DNA evidence wasn't in place yet. (BTW, Inspector Oxford tells his wife he's sure the killer broke those fingers "to retrieve something.")

4. I think when Blaney uses his card to break in to Rusk's room...he finds the door unlocked. Oxford almost closes the door. Rusk's mind is on other matters and his back is to the door as he comes in. As good as I can do...

To me, the biggest plothole has recently been revealed to me as no plothole at all:

When Blaney is arrested, he screams that Rusk is the killer. And yet the trial proceeds, Blaney is convicted and sentenced and ONLY THEN does Oxford go off to investigate Rusk?

Ridiculous?

Not necessarily. First of all, accused and alleged killers OFTEN finger other suspects, as do their lawyers. Cops don't trust that. I figure Oxford didn't and decided to go after Rusk only after Blaney was still screaming his name at the sentencing.

But here's the big one:

"Frenzy" is based on several real-life cases. One was of a killer named John Christie, who murdered some women and got the crimes blaemd on the husband of one of them(can't remember his name.)

They made a movie of this, the year before "Frenzy," called "10 Rillington Place," with Richard Attenborough as Christie and John Hurt as The Wrong Man.

And here's the thing: the movie shows us that Christie WAS suspected, WAS questioned, was even brought into court for testimony to disprove himself as the killer...and was not arrested. They convicted the other guy...and hanged him. And that case ended the death penalty in Britain.

So Hitchocck evidently COULD have given us scenes of Rusk being questioned by the cops and in court and still Blaney getting convicted.

It happened in real life!

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"Frenzy" is based on several real-life cases. One was of a killer named John Christie, who murdered some women and got the crimes blamed on the husband of one of them (can't remember his name.)


Timothy Evans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_Evans

3) Inside the truck, Rusk breaks Bab's fingers, almost touches her legs 3-4 times with his bare fingers, you would at least expect some thumb prints or fingerprints to be there!!


I'm not sure it's possible to leave fingerprints on human skin. But on the subject of plotholes, it seems to me that Babs' hand muscles would have gone limp at the moment of death and she would have dropped the pin. It doesn't seem feasible that her fist would be clenched, let alone still clutching the pin, after rigor mortis set in. Maybe a pathologist could comment.

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Hmm…good question about the "clutching something after death" thing. In 2008, a friend of mine died. She was dying of lung cancer, and when she was feeling her death was immanent (the agony had lasted several days), she got a sponge bath, put on some nice clothes (with the help of her friends), had her hair combed, layed down on her bed, grabbed a rosary, gave some last instructions about her funeral, said goodbye to her friends and expired. At the time of her death, she was clutching the rosary in her hands. However, when I saw her body in the open casket, the rosary beads were no longer between her fingers, but draped around her folded hands in an elegant fashion. Now…if rigor mortis had already set in when the funeral parlor staff prepared her, how did they get the rosary out of her hands without snapping it? And it was the same rosary, I recognized it, because it was almost unique. Large, carved beads, a large St. Benedict crucifix and a centerpiece with soil from some shrine in it. No way the funeral directors could have replaced it with an identical one. So the only logical conclusion to me: The rosary fell out of her hands between her death and the onset of rigor mortis, even though she was clutching it at the moment of her death.

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Rigor mortis is gradual, usually noticeable about three to four hours after death, and the timing varies with several factors, including the person's activity just before death and the temperature of the body's surroundings, so I am guessing your friend had her rosary beads removed within that time.

I have worked in the mortuary and there are ways to massage hands and fingers to loosen grip, usually after embalming, so the old myth of breaking limbs is far from the truth.

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Thanks for the information. Very interesting.

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