This film oozes with homoerotica.
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The hillbillies are not homosexual, they're bull queers, they take by force. Big difference. I learned that from Shawshank Redemption. lol.
And no, this movie doesn't ooze homo anything.
Homosexual rape is not homosexual, okay. Now that's what I call a heterosexual male in full denial. Lol.
Do you have any instructions for black folks too about the black experience?
I'm a bull queer, dude. Don't try and tell me what's gay and what's not. 🤣
So you stated above that the homosexual rape is not homosexual and that you weren't talking about the 4 friends.
So what part of the movie is "oozing with homoerotica" then?
Dude, sarcasm. You're claiming homosexual rape is not homosexual. Then WTF is it? "Bull queer"? 🤣
That sounds like straight male privilege trying to avoid the truth.
No, I don't think the four friends were gay for each other. I think this film is about the rape of straight white male privilege. 🤣
Onan, have you seen The Shawshank Redemption?
This very topic is discussed in this movie. My OP was kind of a joke because I used a line from that movie. But I do think it holds some truth.
If you haven't seen TSR, check it out, great movie. It has a few Deliverance moments too.
So, not only does this movie teach us about the gay community, it also wipes out white male privilege too. Wow, you can read between the lines so well. lol.
At this point, I can only assume you're trolling.
I've seen The Shawshank Redemption. Yes, it shows prison sex, been there done that, and in that movie there are clearly some men who identify as homosexual and some who don't.
My own theory is that most people are bisexual. Many or most of us just suppress the homosexual inclinations for obvious social and religious reasons.
In an all male or all female environment our sexual desire overrides our social propriety.
This movie doesn't teach us anything about the gay community. Lol. This is not the social side of homosexuality, it's the brute force power of rape.
Yes, this movie was meant to show how a bunch of straight white males learn about the uncivilized power of the libido. Seriously, I don't understand how you can not see that. Except this time it's not the woman who is the victim of male rape, but the man himself.
it shows prison sex??? lol...
Okay, dude... whatever..
I will agree with you on people falling somewhere between gay and straight. But it looks like we'll never agree on this film. Ohh well, it happens..
Huh? C'mom dude. They may not show the actual sex in Shawshank, but there's a lot of talk, planning and reference to prison sex.
shareOnan, I would guess that a gay man such as yourself would not like this film, as it presents homosexual activity as frightening, violent and depraved. It's far more of an indictment against it than an endorsement. Yet from your comments, you seem to like it. Can you explain?
shareLike I explained above, this film is about the annihilation of straight white male privilege. Sure, homosexuality can be positive and it can also be violent and negative, like all human endeavors.
shareOnan, you honestly think this is an LGBTQ film? Is this the movie they should show in school to teach people about the gay community?
Deliverance is not about gay life. The film has nothing to do with homosexuality. To be a homosexual, you need to be human first, bull queers are a world away from being homos.
Homosexuality is often about male dominance over other males. Yes, gay men are men just like all men. And we are prone to the same male vices as all males.
sharePeople will sometimes have sex for various reasons but I would think that most people are not having sex simply to "dominate" their partner. In fact, I would say that's a rare occurrence. Most people have sex because it's a pleasurable experience, not because they want to degrade their mate.
But now that you've explained the way the gay community is, no wonder they get a bad reputation. lol
So, you don't have sex, Onan, you rape.... would this be correct? Is this how it is in the gay community? They rape each other at gun point?
So, you don't have sex, Onan, you rape.... would this be correct? Is this how it is in the gay community? They rape each other at gun point?
Lol. I never said that. But homosexuality can and is often used as an act of male dominance over other males. We see it in this movie. We see it in prison. It does not become something "heterosexual" when violence is involved.
I think Kinsey went over all of this. Dominance and submission are often part of all sex, straight and gay, even when it's loving or consensual. share
Yeah and Kinsey used actual prisoners for his research. Not sure how reliable that would be. Although, I do agree with the Kinsey scale. I think most people fall somewhere between straight and gay. It's not hard to imagine that most people probably try out a few homo experiences at some point in their lives. I doubt very many people are 100% straight or 100% gay.
But in regards to dom/sub.... Now, you're getting into BDSM territory. I doubt very many people are breaking out the whips and chains when having sex. Sure, there might be some people that view sexuality as one person dominating the other even when no whips and chains are involved but I digress on this notion.
Fact is, sex feels good and that is the main reason why people do it, no matter what their orientation, gender or race is. Dom/sub is just a secondary characteristic of the whole experience. It's just a feeling some people get during the act of sex but it's not the main reason "why" people do it.
As far as Deliverance goes, I don't view it as homoerotic, in fact, I think you missed the whole point of the movie.
But yeah, I guess films like Irreversible, Lip Stick, I Spit On Your Grave are just good 'ol heterosexual movies that feature hetero-erotica. lol....
This could be where we reach an impasse, I view rape and sex as two different things.
I'm using "homoerotica" in a very broad sense here. And of course I also do it to spur conversation. Few fools watch this movie as if it's porno.
But you've seen the denials on this thread that there's even any homosexuality in this movie. Lol. Gimme a break. It's about "bull queers"!!! Whatever that means. They claim there's nothing "gay" here.
That's the denial to which I object.
As for BDSM dominance and submission, I'm not talking about whips and chains. I'm just saying there is a top in sex and there is a bottom. One inserts and one is inserted.
With heterosexuals it's usually the male who is the top and controls the action. With homosexuals there's usually a strict divide on who is the top and who is the bottom. Frankly there's not a lot of role reversal among individuals in gay sex.
You seem to know a lot about this, Onan. lol
I find it hard to believe that men that go around raping other men are homosexuals. Same as a man that goes around raping women, I wouldn't even consider him a heterosexual. I would just call him a "rapist".
But it's good to know that you didn't jerk off to this movie. lol...
But hey, I can admit that some rape scenes are kind of erotic. Like that scene from the original Straw Dogs movie, its very erotic but I have absolutely no interest in taking someone by force. If you do, seek help, ASAP. The scene in Deliverance was NOT EROTIC AT ALL.
And the "bull queer" line was in the TSR. This scene is on youtube. Its titled 'when REd meets Andy'. Just in case you want to check it out, here it is....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt75VjvRW34
Bull queer is defined by urban dictionary as a man that likes to have sex with another man without their consent. In other words, rape. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Bull%20Queer
Well, when Red says they're not homosexuals, they'd have to be human first, I mean c'mon. A guy who has sex with another guy is homosexual or bisexual. They can dance around it and be in denial. But that's why I referenced Kinsey.
Kinsey didn't bother with people's self identification. That's too often just posturing and self denial. If you've ever engaged in a homosexual act, Kinsey put you on his continuum from homosexual to heterosexual, If you have sex with both males and females, you're bisexual, whether you like it or not.
There's too much sexual repression and fear of a social stigma associated with homosexuality for many people to be honest with not only an interviewer, but with themselves.
I understand, you don't see rape as sex. I see it as violent sex.
Rape is an act of violence, dominating someone, that is the polar opposite to the act of passionate love.
shareI view "having sex" as a pleasurable act between two willing participants. I would imagine the rape victim is not enjoying it in any way. Therefore, I don't view it as "sex". It's just one freak committing a violent act upon an unwilling victim.
shareI completely agree, being gay, and with everything you said, I know MANY men who are like this. Afraid to come out of the closet for fear of social stigma and other reasons. But yet they'll fool around behind their girlfriend's back and have secret relationships with other men. But then sell themselves as straight while in public. There are lots of bisexuals who are fine with staying in the closet for life but it gets in the way with being honest with oneself.
shareMost bisexuals, because they have socially approved relationships with the opposite sex, never feel the need to acknowledge their bisexuality. They basically pass for straight so why rock the boat?
Kinsey showed that 40% of males are bisexual at some point in their lives.
https://www.jmu.edu/counselingctr/audience-resources/lgbtqiqa/bisexuality-101.pdf
https://www.jstor.org/stable/3812421
This thread oozes with homophobia and how many clever ways you can call the opponent homo...
shareThe campfire scene was pretty homoerotic. Not sure about the Bill McKinney and Herbert 'Cowboy' Coward scene though.
Is the book oozing with homosexuality too?