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An Entire Film Built Around a Rape.....


It's kind of sad, and an unfortunate testimonial to the strange thinking of the audience that liked it, that this film's dramatic peak was focused on a rape.

And please don't compare it to 'The Accused', because that film actually had a message beyond revenge.

Ironic that Bert R. often tells the story when the two actors that had the rape roles were asked about their feelings regarding this subject and whether they could do it, their response was: "well we've done worse".

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A 7.8? What a joke.

That's a rape of people's brain cells.

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Go back to bed.

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Go back to bed


suck an egg

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If that is all you have to bring to a public discussion maybe you should go to bed ... with the fishes.

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A 7.8?


...and should be rated higher.

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Pathetic trolling.

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Then stay off my thread if you don't like it. I didn't invite you.

This is nothing but a nasty exploitation film, enjoyed by the morally bankrupt. The proof is the endless jokes about the felony crime of rape that can be read on this film chat board alone.

Obviously the so called 'fans' learned nothing from this film that lacked benefiting story content in the first place.

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Then stay off my thread if you don't like it. I didn't invite you.
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You threw your opinion out there, hoping that people would read it. What were you expecting, everybody to agree with your opinion?

And this isn't a sweet 16 birthday party. This is IMDB. You don't get to decide who shows up or not. Furthermore, there really is no difference between your not liking the movie and somebody else not liking your opinion of the movie. So you are a hypocrite as well.

And this movie is hardly all about a rape, with no message. The rape scene is just the scene that got your attention the most.

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Squeal like a ๐Ÿท Mr. H.

I never got why that vile disgusting pig raped the fatso first. Perhaps he was saving the good looking Voight for dessert. Voight's character was a very lucky man and Ned Beatty was a very brave actor.

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Plus they couldn't have gotten Voight to squeal like a pig as well. ๐Ÿ˜“ They would have sexually humiliated voight too, if it wasn't for Reynolds character intervening with his bow and arrow. I'm not so sure that any feminine quality Beatty's character possessed had much to do with what they were after.

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I never got why that vile disgusting pig raped the fatso first.
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It probably had something to do with the fact that the inbreds thought that Beatty did, indeed, look a little bit like a pig and, being of way subnormal intellect, the found this terribly amusing.

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If it was Voight and Reynolds who were apprehended together, I wonder who would have been the unlucky first victim. That is if one of the other guys was able to intervene in the manner that Lewis did with the bow and arrow. That disgusting animal deserved one right in the yahoos. I don't think that Lewis would have been as easy to push around though, as much as Bobby was. It may have actually been worse for Ed, strapped to the tree and having to witness Bobby's violation and humiliation and then wondering what was in store for him.

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Kurtbrian14
You are pathetic.
Soviet Russia would love to feed you to the rats.

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Ironic that Bert R. often tells the story when the two actors that had the rape roles were asked about their feelings regarding this subject and whether they could do it, their response was: "well we've done worse".


I've heard this with regards to Herbert 'Cowboy' Coward, but never about Bill McKinney? I know that McKinney was said to relish such sadistic roles, and even maintained his own website: www.squeallikeapig.com (Now defunct) for a time.

I found the quote below from Herbert โ€œCowboyโ€ Coward's trivia section for what it's worth, since I believe that anyone can edit or contribute to the trivia section?

When director John Boorman explained to Coward that one of the things his character was going to do was to rape a man, Coward replied, "I've done worse."


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0184662/bio?ref_=nm_dyk_trv_sm#trivia

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The film was based on the best-selling novel of the same name by James Dickey. When it was first published it caused quite a stir with regards to it's touchy subject of homosexual rape and many thought it could never be made into a movie. Obviously director John Boorman was able to bring to the big screen and it's still considered one of the most controversial films ever released.

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I wonder how many people who lived in the backwoods were treated in a discourteous and distrusting manor by the general public after this film was released. I just recently saw a car commercial where two woodsmen were greeting campers in the morning, with the hint of insinuation they're butt fcking sadists that make camping a bad risk for tourists.

Controversy in a film isn't necessarily a good thing, and I know you're not implying that it is, but a best-selling novel could blossom into a prevailing stereotype.

The impoverish back-woods people I've met and seen in documentaries are Christians, and that's pretty much all they have.

No venting targeted at you antonasmodeus, but if you take apart this story, it's simply an expedition that slowly builds up to the rape, then the writer boxing the viewers into a corner with justified murder, and the expedition group simply agrees to not tell anyone and they share a few basic emotions. Simple audience manipulation.

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No worries, Kurt. I know you get a lot of flack on these forums but I appreciate your views and opinions no matter how contrary others may find them.

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Years late, I know, but I was kind of wondering the same thing, as far as how people living out there are looked at.
I haven't read the book (though I'd like to), so I don't know if the people in it are actually inbred or if everyone's just assuming they are, but that in itself is a hurtful assumption. I mean, I guess maybe it's just implied by how they look, but that's still kind of fucked up. For example, the girl in the house at the beginning-- I'm not sure what that condition is called, but I've known people who have it, and they weren't inbred.

Anyway, another thing that I just thought about, related to the rape stuff, is that at the very beginning in the voiceovers when they're talking about the dam that's to be built, someone (maybe Lewis?) says something like, "We're gonna rape it" (referring to the land/river)-- like the cityfolk are going to come in and rape the natural habitat there. But in a twist, the cityfolk (on a smaller scale, of course) are literally raped by the back-country people.

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... please don't compare it to 'The Accused', because that film actually had a message beyond revenge.
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Really! Why is DELIVERANCE about revenge, as opposed to THE ACCUSED? Foster's character appeared more vengeful to me. Deliverance was about survival and these guys were being stalked. It was either them or the rednecks. I don't think you watched the film properly, or if you can only focus on the male on male rape scene, then the issues are more about you.

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The film wasn't based around rape. It was based on people abusing others and possibly killing them and is what Burt Reynold's character right in killing the redneck. I believe he is. There would not be a way for him to help his friends without killing the man. He had to fire the arrow before they were killed. He was right that, most likely, the law officials would side with their local folks. If there wasn't a rape scene but rather it was obvious that their lives were threatened, there still would have been a story of survival. The rape just showed how vile they were.

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>>> The film wasn't based around rape.

There's no movie without the rape scene. Other than that tiny point, I totally agree with you! ๎€น


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The film wasn't based around rape.

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There's no movie without the rape scene. Other than that tiny point, I totally agree with you!

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Pretty much so. With the MPAA ratings code introduced in the late 60's, the early 70's was big on making the most of that R rating(and sometimes that X rating, which became the NC-17 rating.)

It was also a time to "shatter taboos." In this movie, it was male-on-male rape -- that WAS the whole reason for the movie. (Barbra Streisand requested a copy to view at home saying: "for once I want to see a MAN getting raped.") Two years later, Chinatown would take on the taboo of (consensual) incest.

Deliverance "couched" its main scene in a bunch of outdoor adventure on the rapids scenes, but the squeal like a piggy scene is what it was all about.

In that same brutal summer of 1972, Alfred Hitchcock delivered his only R-rated movie with Frenzy, which had the centerpiece of a man raping a woman and then strangling her with a necktie. Hitchcock later said that "that scene was the entire reason I made the picture." Sadist? Maybe. But Hitchcock also said he felt it was time that people understood how brutal and terrifying rape was.

Here's a thread about Deliverance and Frenzy and 1972:๎€น

https://moviechat.org/tt0068611/Frenzy/58c72d745ec57f0478f3e947/Frenzy-and-Deliverance-and-1972

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No, it is more about abuse of the law in the wilderness - how even a man that worked for the police would terrorize those caught in his domain. It demonstrates the sadism of some people if they can get away with it.
I also thought the climax was when Ed managed the Herculean feet of scaling the steep rock wall and successfully killed the man who was out to kill them all from his perch on the cliffs.
It is based on a book. In the book, the guy who was shot did manage to live a little longer and was trekking his way back through the brush/woods, and Ed had to follow his trail, which was given away by broken branches and blood to get his body and thus hide the evidence.
I have the strong feeling it was based on a true event of the writer, but happened long before it was published and in a different location than stated. The writer was a Korean war veteran.

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Totally wrong OP, it's built around a nice guitar piece!

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OP is a nanny with a stick up his ass and no sense of humor.

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