Did anyone else notice?
During the "feast" all the whites were on one side of the table and Franklin was on the other side by himself.
Was this drawn this way intentionaly or just a fluke?
Hard to believe this was a fluke, so maybe it was because producers were worried about sitting a young black male next to a young white female in those days? even animated?
If not why do you suppose it was animated in such a way?
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I noticed another bit of racism, also! When Peppermint Patty, Marcie and Franklin walk in the house, Charlie Brown greets Franklin in a way that seemed racial to me!
shareLooneytunes, what did he say? it's been forever since i've seen it. I never really think about these things, now im really interested...xD
Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.
Mel Brooks
I just saw it yesterday, he says "What it is, bro" and then they do a really complex hand shake. Franklin walks off and mutters "Jive Turkey." It's pretty funny because that was acceptable back then a'la "All in the Family"
Oh no! We broke Mom's favorite vase playing basketball in the house!
- Darth Vader
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>>>>>Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you walk into an open sewer and die.
Mel Brooks<<<<<
I love that sig! My favorite Mel Brooks gag is "uhh! It's good to be the king". That's a sight gag though.
When they played the part with the Pilgrims and "Indians" on there tonight on ABC, the Native Americans were sitting at their own table on one side, while all the white kids and adults sat at their own tables!!! :P
So it isn't only blacks, it's Native Americans as well!
I know it's an older problems, but their portrayal of Native Americans sort of sucked. They made this great stress over and over that Squanto and Samoset "knew English REALLY well!" Heaven forbid, the pilgrims take the time to learn Native American languages. It's just so white man's burden. UGHHH!! Good Grief!
How inaccurate is it that Franklin would even BE on the Mayflower? He would more likely have been on a boat that had Ed Asner as its captain! If anything, Pigpen should've been on the show since his stench would've fit in perfectly with the rest of the ship!
As for Squanto, he really was kidnapped and eventually freed, and he actually did learn English. And yes, I think he would've expressed incredible gratitude at being freed, since many others were not. Remember, this was the early 17th century, not 1865 or 2008, so black rage (or any other color you want to apply) didn't exist yet, not if the slaves wanted to live. I absolutely HATE when people want to apply today's rules to things that happened centuries ago. This is known as "revisionist history" and is endorsed only by the politically correct thought police towards children (yes, I said CHILDREN) who don't know better.
PALIN in 2012, bitches!
You have to be like 300 years old to be on the Mayflower, that happened a long time ago.
shareJeez, you people are so pathetic. Why do people (especially minorities), try in anyway they can, to find racism in everything? They're so angry for no reason and play the "ohh, i'm so sensitive and so offended", they can't wait to imagine they heard or saw something racist. You people are the reason our society is so lame and boring. You keep looking around and claiming racism at everything until everything is sucked out...including creativity.
Grow up and quit your whining. It's a cartoon and you're obviously reading too much into each scene...dummies.
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A fluke. Don't read into any of this. Why people do is beyond me. Okay, he also got the chair that attacked Snoopy-are you going to call the NAACP and complain about that?
shareWhy do some people have to find racism in everything these days? It has gotten beyond ridiculous to the point of being laughable. Find yourselves a life and stop making up supposed acts of racism that do not exist. It's people like you that ruin everything for everyone else.
share It should be remembered that when Charles Schulz first introduced the character of Franklin into his "Peanuts" comic strip, he received a lot of
hate mail from readers who were deeply offended by the depiction of an African-American child hanging around with the white Peanuts kids, even (gasp!) attending THE SAME SCHOOL as they did. I guess those people didn't have lives of their own, either.
I'm not crying, you fool, I'm laughing!
There's a big difference between ACTUAL racism and percieved, imagined, or "subconcious" racism. One can be dealt with, corrected, and life goes on. The other can never be fixed because THERE'S NOTHING TO FIX. It's complaining just to be on the bandwagon. Can we MOVE ON please? If you pick at a scab you get a scar, not a healed wound.
shareBTW, just watched this again and at the end when they're all riding in the car to Grandma's, Franklin is sitting between Peppermint Patty and Sally. So much for your Racism theory.
(If I had to guess, the producers originally planned to put something or someone else on Franklin's side of the table and wound up not adding them. That side of the table has extra glasses and other things as if that's where they were going.)
BTW, just watched this again and at the end when they're all riding in the car to Grandma's, Franklin is sitting between Peppermint Patty and Sally. So much for your Racism theory.
(If I had to guess, the producers originally planned to put something or someone else on Franklin's side of the table and wound up not adding them. That side of the table has extra glasses and other things as if that's where they were going.)
"I was not claiming Schultz"
Do you suffer from Mandela effect?
I remember Schultz, as well.
Lighten up, dude. It's just a sweet little cartoon and nothing more.
"We're all part Shatner/And part James Dean/Part Warren Oates/And Steven McQueen"
Lighten up, dude. It's just a sweet little cartoon and nothing more.
I noticed that myself. I'm the guy who usually tells a person to shut up about supposed racism, but this actually hit me. That was absolutely intentional. There were a certain number of kids and they intentionally blocked out the shot in the animation with Franklin by himself at the table on one side and too many kids on the right hand side. It wasn't by chance. It's not like animation is shot on live film... this was a planned, storyboarded thing.
As to why? Well it was produced in late 72 or early 73. Not too long after the civil rights movement. Still plenty of middle American uneasiness with blacks, I believe. This wasn't as much animator racism as it was a surrender to the racism of the audience. They obviously were progressive thinkers in having a black kid suddenly amongst the Peanuts Gang, but they could only take it so far, I guess.
How far we have come.
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Just wait till ol' Chuck finds out what Patty and Marcie are doing in private...
shareHerald7, I'll address you because you seem to have a firm grip in things.
Schultz was obviously a liberal and progressive thinker. Do you think he intentionally meant for Peppermint Patty and Marcy come off as lesbians, Or do you think it's coincidental that it seems that way by modern perception? Keep in mind that a lot of the people he was involved with were from San Fransisco and Northern California, and also part of the hippy movement. After all, that was the birthplace of social change.
"Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne
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Schultz based Peppermint Patty on one of his favorite (female) cousins and was somewhat embarrassed that lesbians claimed her. He never mentioned that she was based on a family member after that happened because he didn't want people to think that his cousin was a lesbian.
shareI don't believe that. He might have said it, but I don't believe it. The whole SanFran Northern Cali scene. Birth place of liberalism, open homosexuality and the hippie movement. Plus the fact that it is so absolutely blatant. I believe he tempered it with her crush on Chuck to not let it go over the top, and to get past sensors and critics. It was a childrens show still in the early 70's after all. But he knew EXACTLY the connotation he was impying.
"Schultz based Peppermint Patty"
You, too? I am glad others remember 'Schultz' as well. It's supposed to be 'Schulz' now.. I just can't accept that.
"Schultz was obviously a liberal"
So glad to see so many people writing the name just as wrong as I would, because I can't accept 'Schulz'.
"Do you think he intentionally meant for Peppermint Patty and Marcy come off as lesbians"
I don't think they come off as lesbians. They have no sexuality.
They're just kids. Patty is a tomboy, very masculine, and aggressive + violent. Marcy is just a 'female nerd', kind-hearted but with a spine. I like her.
Duuude, me and my dad have joked about that for years ^_^
There's so much racism, it's crazy.
Have you seen the SNL skit where Chris Rock is talking about Franklin?
I'm gonna start a {r/e/v/o/l/u/t/i/o/n} from my bed.
Duuude, me and my dad have joked about that for years ^_^
There's so much racism, it's crazy.