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title.. what does it mean?


does anyone know exactly what "brian's song" means?

i'm not 100% sure and its bothering me.

help please!

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I have no idea. That's Been Bothering Me too.

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I'm not sure but at the cafeteria in the beginning, he does perform a song.

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Since Brian died, maybe Brian swan song, farewell ?

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I'm pretty it refers to the tradition that the Bear's had of making their rookies sing a song during training camp. Metaphorically, it could refer to the statement he made with his life and tragic death.

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It's simpler than that. "Song" as in "story," a slightly archaic definition.

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I'm not looking for argument, I'm merely curious: can you tell me where you found an archaic definition for the word song as being "story"? Merriam-Webster.com is usually pretty good about those things and it lists nothing of the sort.

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I think it's a play on Brian's last name, Piccolo, which is a musical instrument.

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A con: "I think it's a play on Brian's last name, Piccolo, which is a musical instrument."
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No, the usage of 'song' had nothing to do with music or singing or Piccolo's last name.

As someone else said 'song' was generally used in place of saying their story, or about someone who seemed to die at a young age after suffering near-impossible odds.

the only other movies or titles I can think of is Song of Bernadette, 1943, and Karen's Song, 1987, a failed sitcom with Patty Duke and Teri Hatcher, about a woman who dated a man who was 20 and she was 40.

The sitcom may have been a pun on the usage of 'song' with her youth being 'dead' and she now being old.

I'm fairly certain 'song' has to do with a young person not living to be old.

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Piccolo,

Swan song,

Singing the Bear's song as a rookie

I absolutely love these explanations. They're even better than the real reason for 'song.'

Am I the only one here who thought this was the 'sappiest' movie ever made?

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A little late on this subject. Brian's Song to me meant how when he had to sing he was bad but never gave up. He fought to the end of his life as well.

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Yeah, I just saw it for the first time in probably over 30 years or so, and this was quite the schmaltzfest. Very sappy. Didn't have the emotional impact that I thought it was going to have. I was fully expecting to cry - I am quite the pu$$y when it comes to crying at movies, I'll admit it. Probably because when I first saw it in the 70s as a kid, I didn't know he was going to get cancer and die. Knowing that sort of takes all the sadness out of it.




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vampiretindy: "I'm not looking for argument, I'm merely curious: can you tell me where you found an archaic definition for the word song as being "story"? Merriam-Webster.com is usually pretty good about those things and it lists nothing of the sort."
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Well, I can't get into a discussion about Merriam-Webster.com

This was the understanding back when the movie came out, that it had nothing to do with music or anybody singing.

'Song' was generally a term used to describe, IF the author so chose, a person's life who came to an end, usually at a very young age.

The only other movie I can think of like this was Song of Bernadette, from 1943, with Jennifer Jones.

Back when the movie came out, in 1971, the signature tune was very popular. I'm amazed no one has suggested that it was Brian's Song.

Karen's Song, with Patty Duke and Teri Hatcher, was a failed sitcom from 1987, about a woman turning forty and dating a man in his twenties.

None of these have anything to do with music or singing.

Brian's Song, Song of Bernadette or Karen's Song. It is generally meant to refer to someone's life and experience.

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As the other poster said, 'song' is a term that is used for 'story'.

Everyone inquiring must be incredibly young, because so far, no one has said anything about the tune being Brian's Song, which was very popular back when this movie came out.

The only other movie I can think of is Song of Bernadette, from 1943, who likewise died at a young age, and she had nothing to do with music either.

Why this movie about the football player would be called Brian's Song, I have no idea, instead of the title of the book it was based on, I Am Third, by Gale Sayers, as he said God came first, Brian Piccolo came second and . . . . I Am Third.

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abhimb-1: "Since Brian died, maybe Brian swan song, farewell ?"
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this is about the closest and may be where the term 'song' being used for someone's story came from.

The only other two titles I can think of are Song of Bernadette from 1943, and Karen's Song with Patty Duke and Teri Hatcher.

Bernadette, like Brian, died at a young age after fighting against impossible odds.

Karen's Song, a failed comedy, was about a woman who was 40 dating a 20 year old man.

Perhaps her usage of song was a pun on the young woman being dead and the older woman now being in her place.

But Brian's Song had nothing to do with music or singing.

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As the other poster said, 'song' was generally used to refer to someone's story, apparently if it was a life lived under very tragic circumstances and they died at a young age.

The only other story, or movie I can think of like this was Song of Bernadette, about the young girl who saw the Virgin Mary. She too died at a very young age after much suffering.

It may also be connected to the term 'swan song' (they may all be connected) but it has nothing to do with music or singing.

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matheusrosito: "I have no idea. That's Been Bothering Me too."
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Song is used to describe a person's story.

there was Song of Bernadette in 1943, and Karen's Song in 1987, a failed sitcom with Patty Duke and Teri Hatcher, about a woman who is 40 and she dates a man who is 20.

I still think song is used to refer to a short-lived life, which would apply to Piccolo and Bernadette, but it doesn't to Karen's Song.

Maybe that one was a joke on the woman no longer being young. Or it could have been prophetic and that the series died so young.

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I dont understand the question.

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I just re-watched this earlier in the week and I think it has many meanings. For one, Brian sings the Wakeforest fight song in the beginning and again right before he dies at the end. I also agree it could mean swan song or be meant synonomously with story.

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KajsaK: "I just re-watched this earlier in the week and I think it has many meanings. For one, Brian sings the Wakeforest fight song in the beginning and again right before he dies at the end. I also agree it could mean swan song or be meant synonomously with story."
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The other title I heard of like this was 1987 "Karen's Song" a sitcom with Patty Duke and Teri Hatcher in it. It dealt with Duke turning 40 and being involved with a 20-year-old man.

Then there is Song of Bernadette (1943).

With Brian's Song, none of these had anything to do with music or singing.

'Song' clearly is derived from (I still think) when a young life comes to an end much too soon, but that wasn't the case with Karen's Song (tho the show ended very young!), but I think it was supposed to be a pun with Karen the youngster ending and now she was an older woman.

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The poster who said song was an archaic term for 'story' is about the closest.

It is very similar to the 1940s movie, Song of Bernadette, with Jennifer Jones.

Either the word song is used to describe the person's story as being very tragic, or something along those lines.

But it has nothing to do with any music.

And it may also be derived from 'swan song' which is someone's final moment.

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When the movie came out, I understood it to mean "ballad", which is a poetical way of symbolically saying "story." It just means "Brian's Story."

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I'm another one old enough to remember when it came out. I agree w/richard fuller and angelofvic - it means Brian's Story. I always associated the theme song with the title too, and that could be part of it. I like angel's theory that it means ballad; that is suggestive of a literary ballad.

I don't believe it has anything to do with the Wake Forest fight song scene or his last name (which means "small" in Italian) or anything of that kind. I doubt it's something the writers analyzed too deeply either. Brian's Song is not the title of the book the story was based on (the Wake Forest scene didn't happen in real life, anyway).

It just sounds pretty and poetic, and I think that's why it was chosen.


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The tern song means ballad or Story, Brian's Story
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As a music educator, I tend to agree with another poster who said that it might come from his last name being "Piccolo." It makes more sense that they say song looking at it from a literary standpoint, but I like thinking it's because his last name is a musical instrument!

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My God. There are some incredibly stupid people in the world, and I think most of them post on iMDB. I can't believe that this much server space has been dedicated to this. The song is the story. What is the big freakin' deal? Do any of you people actually read, and, by "read", I mean books. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

And, no, to the music educator, it has nothing to do with his last name. That's just a coincidence. I've been a musician for over twenty years, and it frightens me to think that someone with such a loose grasp of the English language is in a position to be a teacher, probably detailing the musical nuances of the latest Britney Spears CD.

Give me a freakin' break.




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My God. There are some incredibly stupid people in the world, and I think most of them post on iMDB. I can't believe that this much server space has been dedicated to this. The song is the story. What is the big freakin' deal? Do any of you people actually read, and, by "read", I mean books. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

And, no, to the music educator, it has nothing to do with his last name. That's just a coincidence. I've been a musician for over twenty years, and it frightens me to think that someone with such a loose grasp of the English language is in a position to be a teacher, probably detailing the musical nuances of the latest Britney Spears CD.

Give me a freakin' break.


Thank you, sliptdisk! I was ready to tear my hair out reading some of the replies here--that some of them actually summed this entire film up to a throwaway scene of Piccolo singing his fight song! "Song" = his name = a musical instrument?!? Really, people!


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According to "Swan Song: A Brief History of the Expression"
( http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/329732/swan_song_a_brief_history_of_the_expression.html?cat=37 ) "Brian's Song" would most likely be a take off of a "Swan Song," where "the root was probably applied to the swan because of the widespread ancient belief that the common mute swan, after a lifetime of silence, may sing one beautiful song just before it dies."

"And any final work or performance, especially one in which the person is aware of imminent death or retirement and therefore expends the last ounce of energy in a final effort, is a swan song" or, in this case, Brian's (swan) Song.

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According to "Swan Song: A Brief History of the Expression"
( http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/329732/swan_song_a_brief_history_of_the_expression.html?cat=37 ) "Brian's Song" would most likely be a take off of a "Swan Song," where "the root was probably applied to the swan because of the widespread ancient belief that the common mute swan, after a lifetime of silence, may sing one beautiful song just before it dies."

"And any final work or performance, especially one in which the person is aware of imminent death or retirement and therefore expends the last ounce of energy in a final effort, is a swan song" or, in this case, Brian's (swan) Song.

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