Are these films in the Spaghetti Western Tradition?
I love Spaghetti Westerns, is this worth watching?
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When I first saw them in the mid 80s, I thought they were parodies. Both are the kind of movie you have to watch a few times to get everything (and catch all the funny stuff.) They Call me Trinity, and Trinity is Still My Name are the only two movies of this type I HAD to have a DVD of. So, yeah, *definitely* worth watching.
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Actually these movies were meant to parodies of the violent Leone westerns, so if you define "Spaghetti westerns" like western movies with a considerable amount of bruteallity and crude reality (the battle on the bridge in "the good,the bad the ugly) these aren't, altought the style is the same.
Anyway, in Italy the Trinity trilogy are cult movies and they are worth watching for sure...
I agree with Sulhiril.
these were meant (and are) parodies on Leone films (which were, in a way, parodies on the classic american westerns).
And please let's not call the "spaghetti westerns"! that is meant to be offensive!
And please let's not call the "spaghetti westerns"! that is meant to be offensive!Please don't tell me that the PC cops are now crying over this. "Spaghetti Western" is a sub-genre of the broader Western film genre and by no means derogatory. It is a term embraced by fans worldwide (yes, even in Italy) so we don't need a few liberals creating a bunch of nonsense over nothing.
Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
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the term "spaghetti western" was conceived to be derogatory. How can a term like "spaghetti-western" be taken seriously?
that (even) italians have accepted it, shows only their ignorance.
a western is a western. no matter if it was made in italy, spain, japan or even in australia.
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I love SPAGHETTI WESTERNS!!!! Spaghetti Westerns are some of the best westerns out there. I can't believe that people would cry over the word "spaghetti westerns." I don't think Italians realize that it might have initially been considered a "derogatory" term because they simply don't care. Personally, I think anyone who would actually cry over a word is someone who is incredibly insecure.
shareYeah, a good example of the style of these films would be Maverick(The Mel Gibson and James Garner movie) and Hot Fuzz(from the same guys who did SHaun of the Dead). There are new DVDs coming this fall!
share Calling italians "ignorant" is far more offensive and derogatory than calling westerns "spaghetti".
Pass the parmesan.
"Spaghetti western" is a generally accepted sub-genre of the western movie genre - and to me Sergio Leone's spaghetti westerns are, artistically as well as for their entertainment value, the best western movies ever made.
If the Italians feel the need to be offended when I refer to Leone's masterpieces as spaghetti westerns with my all respect, so be it. But I don't think they do. ;)
incredible how everybody keep on posting the same answer over and over again.
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Well I wonder if you've learned anything from the unanimous response... :)
sharesure.
I still sthink westerns are "westerns", no matter where they were made.
names like spaghetti, paella, curry or sukiyaki are too difficult for me to accept.
unless they will name the american westerns hamburger westerns.
what do you think about that?
I do have to agree with you that the term "Spaghetti Western" was conceived with a derogatory intention without a doubt (although not as derogatory as referring to German electronic rock as "KrautRock" to my mind; but that may be just a culinary preference).
The previous poster was also talking rubbish, the expression is largerly unknown in Italy: the term used over there for the subgenre is simply "Western all'Italiana".
It does not bother me much now though, wait until you see my movie, with pizza parlours replacing traditional saloons, an it'll all make more sense then..
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Ok pay no attention to the retard but in response to your original question these movies are very much in the "Spaghetti Western Tradition." I watched a show on the history channel about "Spaghetti Westerns" and they were saying how nobody really knows how the term came about but its generally assumed to be because of the filming location being in Italy and a few other factors I cant remember. I don't remember anything about anyone be insulted by the name. Get over it.
Everyone keeps saying they are parodies but I think that might give people the wrong idea. They have nothing to do with slapstick or gags like many modern parodies. They are just a typical western themed movie where funny things happen, if you're paying attention. You could almost say subtle comedy. Very few movies make be give a burst of laughter, but the first one I did several times and almost always had a stupid grin on my face. Great characters. Of course I haven't watched the second one yet so this only applies to the first.
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Ok I scanned this thread after three years. Let me say three things:
1)Sergio Leone's movies were definitely NOT parodies, they were very violent and realistic movies, more realistic than the american movies of the time. For instance, many accused him of sexism because most of the women in his movies were prostitutes, but as a matter of fact he did some serious research on the Old West and he found out that most of the women of the Frontier were, as a matter of fact, either wives or whores. The "heroin of the West" as it was portraited by Ford & co. was totally a myth.
2)Spaghetti western was firstly used by the american critics as it was meant to be derogatory, becuase they supposed that the italians knew nothing about the history of the US. By the way, all Leone's movie were not located in Italy, but in Spain, because at that time producing a movie in Spain costed one tenth of what it would have costed in Italy...this is what the producer of these movies said. Today, anyway, the term is not considered to be derogatory anymore, since these movies are accepted in the iconography of the West.
3) Terence Hill's and Bud Spencer's movie were definitely a parody, in this country they are considered the most loved movies by children. I used to watch them over and over again with my father when I was a child and you can easily see that they're comedic westerns by the fact that nobody is killed, while Once upon a time in the West shows the execution of a child, very difficult to stomach at that time.
i love the traditional style and also avoided the Trinity movies for the longest. i love the first one and think the second one is ok (Same goes for MY NAME IS NOBODY and its sequel). watch the first one, you might be surprised about how dirty the movie is with all the jokes about their mother being a prostitute. it is less for kids than i thought
sharePersonally I like the Terence Hill/Bud Spencer films a lot better than the Sergio Leone ones.
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