Sexist


Some of the scenes throughout the series, usually betweem wife/husband, daughter/father, etc., are so sexist it's LOL funny. The older and wiser men are always sending the poor, disillusioned womanchild off the bed or wherever, out of sight, out of mind. Even Gary Collins falls to it every once in awhile, but in a different way, offering to accompany the poor, distraught woman to wherever she may want to go. I actually forgot what it used to be like being a woman in a world run by these funny kinds of guys. :o)

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Sexist? Or perhaps simply not politically correct?
Political correctness has just about ruined movies and TV.

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The subtlety of treating a woman as an inferior who should be protected is there. Yes, it's all political correctness, but there's always a truth beneath. I'm sure there are a lot of women who would love to be molly coddled by their men in this way, but I find it distasteful. The point of the women's movement was to have choices in your life, and not be persecuted for it. Back then, it was a given women wanted, and should be, looked over like a child. The benevolent father figure making all the decisions. Some of us want to, and have, grown and grown up. ;)

That said, obviously, not all men were kindly uppers towards their women.

In a modern show, the woman would be actively involved in solving the mystery as a real person... without balloon boobs and super natural powers, ala the 80's, lol.

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No, nowadays the woman would be cast as intellectually, emotionally --and even often physically-- superior to the husband, father, or just about any other male character. Television now dumps almost all of its ridicule and stereotyping on men.

Furthermore, what's so wrong with --as you call them-- "balloon boobs?" In reality, women are closer to possessing large breasts than they are to being skinny and flata**ed boythings: those horribly emaciated creatures which Hollywood and the fashion industry keeps peddling as physically/sexually attractive. The lush, curvaceous form is the epitome of the excellence of the feminine figure.

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I agree with your assessment of stereotyping of men, and I think it began with the talk shows of the 80's and 90's where male bashing was all the rage.

Fathers are just as important as mothers, and anyone who claims otherwise is dysfunctional.

Balloon boobs as in medically enhanced, lol. You can't seriously claim those are ok. And I also agree about women being too skinny or what is called third world chic. Probably that came from high fashioned modeling where the more you looked like a clothes hanger, the better the clothes hung on you. Curves are better.

Nobody really wants to be themselves anymore. It's all visually enhanced, new and improved. It's too bad we can't overly dwell on the beauty of curing diseases, and living a natural aging process, and concentrate on medically being able to live longer lives, rather than dwelling on the almighty boob. The human race is really pathetic at times.

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When I first read your post, WillysGirl, I thought your comment about "blloon boobs" was in reference to naturally buxom, voluptuous women; however, I now find myself agreeing with much of you're saying here. Your last paragraph makes an especial point: people are too often afraid of being themselvesand letting their own natural and individual beauty and charms show. I myself find a confident and realistic woman more attractive than so many of these increasing numbers of plastic surgery addicts. Both men and women need to realize that it's not exactly what they physically possess but rather how they present themselves and feel that they their total person is attractive.

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I think artificial "balloon boobs" are unattractive.

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A-bloody-men!!!

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Shows from the '70s are always going to be sexist, and not much better now. But what about using Willy's Girl as your identity? You've self-identified yourself only through a male. Pot, meet kettle.

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Sorry, Willy is in reference to Shakespeare.

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Okay, now that's a cool user ID!

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Oh, I thought maybe you drove a Willys jeep. :-)

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And who is Shakespeare, but an evil old, white, European male?

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@memboy7

Yeah, it was sexist---there's that one episode featuring Mary Ann Mobley--"Five Widows Weeping", I believe--when her character keeps seeing these terrible nightmarish visions, and her father and her husband basically treat her like she's some silly little girl who can't be taken seriously unless they say so. At least Dr. Rhodes treated the female characters like grown,intelligent women with minds of their own,even though he did fall back a little bit into the sexism,but not as much as the other men--I think being what he was made him a little more openminded than the usual guys on the show. Basically,the series, like the majority of TV series back then, was written by mainly men to begin with--men who still had that mindset from the era where women were supposed to be pretty little helpless not-too-bright things to be seen and not heard. As much as women have accomplished in real life these days--running countries,corporations and becoming powerful politicians running cities---there's nothing politically correct about showing women as independent and acting on their own nowadays without always needing a man's help, because that's exactly what they have proven they can do in REAL life, thank you.

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And what post exactly were you reading?

LOL

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I totally love 70s shows, but agree with the much if WillysGirl's points. A good little thread.

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If you think this show is sexist, go watch some 1950's style scifi monster films. They always have a female as a love interest, but before they accept her, some older guy that accompanies her has to mention how smart she is, and then she has to mention she's around to learn and study like the men are, but somehow, she still ends up screaming for the main man to save her, all while being a tough as nails smart women.

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You got that right. I can't even imagine being an adult female and tolerating the attitude.

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And, what exactly is wrong with being saved by a strong man? The intensity goes both ways -- yes, the damsels in distress will probably saved by strong men more often back then. However, at the same time, the women were also doing more for the men back then -- and doing more for their own kind as well. I think that people are summarizing this incorrectly. Just because women weren't strong in the exact same way as they are now, it doesn't mean they weren't strong. Every head of the household mail would admit back then that they might bring home the bacon, but the woman RULES the house! Now, what so helpless about that?!

See, it isn't that women were thought of as useless, helpless creatures. But, it is that men and women were thought of as having specialized domains. So, when the woman stepped out of her specialized domain, of course, should be thought of as out of place in needing to be taught a thing or 2. But again, it goes both ways -- if you ever saw a man on television trying to do a woman's work, he was always depicted as a bumbling idiot.

So, truth be known, the problem with women (and many men too) today is that they're constantly on the lookout for problems -- even in old TV shows! But the sort of sexist attitudes that you refer to is exactly one of the reasons why I love old shows like this, much more so than the new ones. I don't ever watch new TV, because I don't like today's attitude on hardly anything! Hence, not everyone is comfortable with the whole woman's Lib attitude -- and some of us do not consider the attitude of Gary Collins or anyone else in those older show to be particularly sexist (though, there are always exceptions, of course).

Please excuse typos/funny wording; I use speech-recognition that doesn't always recognize!

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LOL, yeah, I know. Just ignore all those silly little problems men and women make up. That's always the perfect attitude to have. Something a 'romance' novel reader loves. Isn't it funny what people call 'truth' nowadays.

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@MyMovieRomance


Yeah, but c'mon---the majority of those shows weren't even realistic to begin with---they were just an idealized version of what life was like in the suburbs. The only shows I've seen from the '50s and '60 era to be anywhere near realistic was THE HONEYMOONERS, when the couple got into arguments all the time, DOBIE GILLIS, where all the characters were distinct and off the wall individuals in their own right. I liked both of them, too.

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Yes... Like many (if not most) shows, its portrayal is indicative of its period. A sign of the times, if you will.

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