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Run Time 90 minutes?



Does anyone know if the run time of 90 minutes is correct? Were these more like specials (like all those Columbo "movies") or a regular series.

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It ran for 90 minutes on TV. Banacek was part of the "NBC Mystery Movie" series along with "McMillan & Wife" as well as "McCloud." There may have been another one or two in there as well. If I recall correctly, it was on Wed. nights. I am currently checking to see if this has come out on DVD but have yet to find it. Perhaps someday. There were 17 shows of the "Banacek" series including the pilot. Hope this answers your question. If the show comes out on DVD, they will probably be only 70 - 72 minutes each.

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Amazon UK says it is not out (yet) but with the deluge of similar shows, who knows? Keep your eyes open on tvshowsondvd.com for any news....

There is no legit Region 1 set available to answer your question....

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The ones I got last about 64 minutes each. Credits are usually missing, but I think the story is all there.

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As far as ninety minutes, there would still be more of a show aired than if it were today. I don't know what the FCC mandated then, but today, they can show up to seven minutes of ads. When Ronald Reagan was in office, he deregulated the FCC and that's how infomercials came to be.

Before I crashed at 4am Monday morning, I decided to take advantage of being up for forty hours sans sleep.

Throughout Sunday night, [for breaks], I started working on a list of NBC Mystery Movie. This is generally for '71 thru '74, depending upon which show you're talking about. A lot of shows in this type of format - specifically, the pilot and show, will show the pilot, followed by the series (in the same year). They're fairly easily to find and validate, although this from straightfoward memory. (so I might have made some mistakes)

I was ten in '72 and remember them (NBC) quite well. I think the "NBC Mystery Movie" should be reasonbly close. Prime Time After Prime Time should be pretty close as well.

I don't remember if there was an "ABC Mystery Movie" and what data should be there.

If you have corrections, please let me know.

If you use this info elsewhere, please be mindful of not claiming you came up with the list. Failing to do this, would be unfortunate and because there's balance & harmony, you might think about it. (Karma. And not "My karma ran over my dogma."

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NBC Mystery Movie:
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Amy Prentiss
Banacek,
Columbo (Also on ABC's Mystery Movie)
Cool Million
Faraday & Company
Hec Ramsey
Lanigan's Rabbi, aka "Friday the Rabbi Slept Late" (Books)
Madigan
McCloud
McCoy
McMillan & Wife
Quincy, ME
The Snoop Sisters
Tenafly


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“Crimetime After Primetime” (some moved to USA)
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“Dark Justice”
“The Exile”
“Forever Knight”
“Scene of the Crime”
“Sweating Bullets” (“Tropical Heat”)
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“Scene of the Crime” had a format similar to “Nero Wolf” in recent years. SOTC, however, had already taken it to the next level and used the entire cast and they rotated every episode. This week, {A} would be a good guy and the lead. Next week, {B} was the criminal and the lead where {A} might be #3 in exposure via the episode.
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“ABC Mystery Movie” ? (Fridays?)
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“Gideon Oliver” ('86) ?
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Good work there!

Doesn't Silk Stalkings fall into the Crimetime category.

I remember watching a lot of the NBC Mystery Movie reruns on A&E daytime in the early 90s.

One memory I have of the Mystery Movie was the opening music. Very memorable. I also remember a red screen with a flashlight/searchlight beam.

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Good eye. I knew I was overlooking at least one. It was which outlived most of the other shows as a standalone.

The closing was interesting and can be viewed at certain times of a member show. Specifically, Columbo. The earliest episodes have him in the lower right-hand picture of Peter Falk. What does he, Sandy Duncan, Dick Vitale, and Sammy Davis, Jr. (RIP) have|had in common?
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I'm sure it's old news at this point (March 26th 2007) but TV Guide announced a couple of weeks ago that they were going to release Season I of Banacek on DVD on May 27th, 2007. This will be the firt DVD release under the TV Guide banner, and they plan to release many other series.
Their DVD sets will be available at all standard retailers. Price will be $39.95 for the first season, which will be heavily discounted, especially during the first week of release.
Season I contains 8 full episodes, which ran 90 minutes with commercials. the length on the DVD will be 72 minutes per episode.
There's an old Polish Proverb that says, "if you write enough letters and emails to the right people, even Banacek might wind up in Wal Mart's DVD section."
I'm in 7th heaven, I just picked up season II of "Wild Wild West" with Robert Conrad, plus Season I of "Mission Impossible" will be on store shelves tomorrow (Tuesday 3-27-07) and the best of the lot, "Banacek" will show on my bigscreen in may.
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In the interest of oneupsmanship, I can't help it but point this out:

Banacek:Season One by Banacek (DVD - May 15, 2007)

http://amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw/002-7210445-0644863?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=banacek&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=Go

(I realize the IMDB site prefers those who post links to simply post the text, but I'm basically a lazy sod and want to make it possible for others to be lazy.)

You can wait until May 27 to buy your discs, but I think I'll take May 15th. ;)

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I decided to see what Froogle could find:

http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Banacek+dVD&btnG=Search&lmode=online&scoring=p

There are obviously some bootlegs in that list, so you have to be careful; NB look at the release date, the retail price vs. the discount price, whether it looks like an auction or bootleg opportunity. Best price $15.95

Plugging the UPC into Google produces this:

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=829567042823&hl=en&newwindow=1&num=100&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&as_rights=&safe=off

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The runtime for Season 1 of Banacek (8 full episodes) per B&N.com is 576 minutes. Divide that by eight and you'd get 72 minutes per. I don't recall the "commercial cycle" was at that time but it sounds about right - 90 minutes with 18 lost to commercials.

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Okay I guess I'm confused. I thought the episodes were 90min to fit into a 2 hour time slot just like Columbo was. So the actual time slot was 90min? The episodes are clearly edited on the DVD, often cutting out things like establishing shots and traveling shots. You can tell when the music jumps. They are something like an hour and 12 min.

Doug

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The NBC MYSTERY MOVIES were all 90min. when they started, with McMILLAN AND WIFE, McCLOUD and COLUMBO. They continued this way when the 1st 3 moved to Sundays, HEC RAMSEY was added, and 3 new shows debuted in their place on Wednesday, BANACEK, MADIGAN and COOL MILLION.

Occasionally they would do 2-hour movies (that includes commercials!) as sort of "specials" when the stories called for it. A good example would be the McCLOUD episode, "This Must Be The Alamo"-- virtually a fore-runner of HILL STREET BLUES with its 4 sub-plots running parallel. But then, some fool at NBC issued an edict that ALL future movies would be for a 2-hour slot. This caused some problems, I feel, as quite a few of the ones that followed the edict were clearly, and badly, PADDED-OUT, having probably been written for the 90-min. slot.

When the format was revived after a 10-year break by ABC, all the new shows were for 2-hour slots. The rotating format only lasted 2 years on ABC, but just as COLUMBO had an extra season once its fellow series had gotten canned (the new episodes turning up here and there, whenever NBC damn well felt like it), COLUMBO outlived the ABC rotating series as well, as Peter Falk-- who had taken over as exec. Producer with the 2nd ABC season-- kept making 1 or more movies each year for at least the next decade!

The other "survivor" of the overall 70's cancellation (NBC royally screwed the schedule of all the Mystery Movies that year) was QUINCY, M.E., which outlived COLUMBO because the last 2 of its 6 movies were yanked bodily off the Sunday schedule when someone decided to turn it into a 1-hour weekly and start off the Friday night run with the 5th & 6th movies. In that instance, Jack Klugman had wanted to do a doctor show, NBC wanted a detective show, the format was a compromise... but when they changed it to a weekly, Klugman walked off the series. This is why the 10th episode (I believe) features the Charlie Chan-like Chief Coroner as the main character! After a week away, Klugman got his way, the show became more "doctor" focused, and while it became a huge hit, it was never as much "fun" for me after that...


Henry

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I'm a bit confused by your post. Does it mean that the 2 episodes 'yanked' off the air were never shown? Checking IMDB and Wikipedia, it seems like only the first 4 episodes of the first season, were 90 minutes. Do the other 2 movies appear on the DVD's?

Edit: I saw in one of the reviews on Amazon, that contrary to the durations shown on IMDB for these episodes; the first 2 episodes of Season 2 DVD are also longer, although of different durations (~90 and ~70 minutes).

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Hale, I've done extensive work on commercials over the years. Here's what I've found for 1-hour shows.

In the 1960's, a 1 hour show lasted about 51 minutes long, which meant about 9 minutes (tops) of commercials. In actuality, it was less when you allow for station promos, PSA's, etc. So figure 8 minutes, which works out to about 4 2-minute breaks. That was pretty much the standard from the 1950's through the early-1980's.

The 50/51 minute 1-hour show started to be shortened in the 1970's during reruns. Lesser shows would edit out 1-2 minutes for extra commericals when they re-ran the shows in primetime for the 2nd or even 3rd time.

The trend accelerated in the 1980's. By then, the 1-hour program was down to about 48 minutes, give or take. 12 minutes of commercials.

By the 1990's and today, it has been shortened even more. Top shows like "24" barely reach 44 minutes, ditto syndicated shows like "Star Trek: Enterprise" (ST: TNG ran 46 minutes because it was 15 years earlier).

The relevant time shortening for 30-minute sitcoms would be about 25 or 25 1/2 minutes in the 1960's/1970's down to about 22 minute today.

I would venture to say that "Banacek" ran in the neighborhood of 74-77 minutes (probably right around 76 give or take), even though I did not watch the show that much and catch it only occasionally on re-runs on cable. That 74-77 minute window was also what 90-minute movies ran like "ABC's Movie Of The Week."

Again, that was for a 90-minute movie/TV show (I don't believe their lengths were different based on 1 being a movie and the other a TV show, since they were EACH made-for-TV) in the 1960's/1970's. I would venture to say that if "Banacek" or some other 90-minute TV show came along today it would be closer to 66-68 minutes, tops. No way it tops 70 minutes. The percentage increase in commercial time is LOWER for 30-minute and 90-minute shows than for the 1-hour shows which are the networks favorites to fill time-wise.

That's one reason why 90-minute dramas and made-for-TV movies ended in the 1970's: they created scheduling problems, they lost ad time on an hourly basis, and it was tougher to fill a 90-minute slot with commercials than a 1-hour show + a 30-minute show or three 30-minute shows.

The good news is that we've reached the maximum amount of commercials that the networks can squeeze in on all types of shows (except maybe live-action sports).

The added commercial times accelerated in the late 1970's and 1980's when cable TV eroded The Big Three's share of viewing from 91% in the early 1970's to 50% or less today.

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Hale, I've done extensive work on commercials over the years. Here's what I've found for 1-hour shows.
I've read this with great zeal. I love to collect info. It saves looking it up later. I don't know what you mean by extensive, so I won't cut on that...much. But I do want to know what this means. Reading a magazine article? A school report? (which is usually taking a bunch of magazines & books and paste different paragraphs together in a desired order. I realize most people use online info for the same purpose. Except (that) now it's cut & paste.
The trend accelerated in the 1980's. By then, the 1-hour program was down to about 48 minutes, give or take. 12 minutes of commercials.
You're stating factoids with no rationale. Why things occur is important.
The added commercial times accelerated in the late 1970's and 1980's when cable TV eroded The Big Three's share of viewing from 91% in the early 1970's to 50% or less today.
Again, lots of factoids, but no reason why this fits together (or if it is correct).

If network TV was losing the audience to cable, increasing the length of time devoted to ads shouldn't be a mechanism to increase market share.

The change in the eighties was in the early half of the 80s [1]. It has/had nothing to do with market share.

It does, however, have everything to do with the FCC. Someone spending eight years in the White House deregulated the FCC. Once that happened, people realized they could show ads of greater & greater lengths. This is why & when infomercials grew faster than coat hangers in a dark closet.

If you need more info, I'd suggest pointing a browser at Google and see what it says. I haven't done so, because I know my information is accurate.

I'd search for a combination of <Reagan>,<FCC>, and something to do with deregulation - there are several terms you could use.

If you don't find what should be there, remember that Google is noncommutative.
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[1] If anyone reading this hasn't already looked it up, I'll say it's a US president who served two terms in the early 80s. The paranoids - the ones wearing hats made of aluminum foil - were fearful because the number of letters in each of his names was 6-6-6.

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There was a time before Wikipedia. There were search engines without the WWW. There was a WWW and no search engines. This was near the end of what was known as, "The World's Biggest Secret Club."

With that in mind, several of us went head-to-head to see who got the most. All of us ended up with the same list.

There may have been another one or two in there as well.
One or two?

Maybe one or two beyond what Wikipedia lists.

What were you smoking in the 70s?
If I recall correctly, it was on Wed. nights.
Just Wednesday nights? I hope you aren't relying up on IIRC.
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To get back to the original question which only a few people answered, the pilot "Detour To Nowhere" (found on DVD set 2 disc 3, or disc 5 of the complete set) ran 2 hours with commercials so closer to 90 without. The other 16 episodes were 90 minutes each with commercials so closer to 70 to 75 without.

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I can't say it's gospel, but IMDB shows the runtime (sans commercials) with each episode...

e.g.

"When you're good at something, never do it for free."
Joker, "The Dark Night"

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IMDB has been known to accidentally show a tv shows running time WITH commercials and mistake it for time without.

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