That selfish little brat.


No, not Veruca. I'm talking about the kid who lives with his mother and 4 sickly grandparents in a tiny no bedroom shack. Then can barely afford to put cabbage water on the table. Yet some guy offers him $10,000- which was a *beep* load of cash back then for a tour of a candy factory, and he won't even hear the guy out?

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i don't blame charlie one bit for being selfish. charlie was wise for his age and knew that $10,000 would be sent up in smoke by the "pipe a day" grandpa joe.




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How did Slugworth get everywhere so fast anyway?

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it wasn't the same guy.

it was a different clone all of those times. the last machine that we did not get to see in wonka factory was the cloning room.




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Lol- brilliant!

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There must have been tracking devices in the tickets.

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wonka worked for the NSA?




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You have absolutely no comprehension of money, or the price of tobacco or living at the time. Absolutely no comprehension what so ever.

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Couldn't Grandpa Joe get his tobacco from Chico?

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Tha was Wilkinson (or Slugworth)

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Because it was a fix.
Fvc< Wonka and his 'fair' competition, the twisting bastard.

It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!

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Maybe Charlie thought Slugworth was a pervert.

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Charles Bucket was not surprisingly the only non-bratty one!

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That $10K would be "earned" by selling out Wonka and wouldn't be honorable or deserved, which Charlie recognized and ended up being rewarded for in the end.

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When Charlie was given the factory, he decided to invite his family along too.

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I actually prefer the way Charlie is shown here instead of Burton's Saint Charlie character. Charlie was a good kid, but still a kid.

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Charlie did listen to what "Slugworth" said. Then he went home. He told Grandpa Joe about him. You know he was tempted to betray Wonka when in his office at the end of the movie but did the right thing anyway.

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Exactly. He was tempted to betray Wonka for his family, but as hard as it was, he put his principles first. He didn't want him or his family to benefit that way.

That's probably why his family were so poor. They'd always done the moral, principled thing instead of selfishly acting in their own immediate self-interest.


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I have little doubt the bad children, who seem to have more money than Charlie, would've betrayed Wonka to become even richer.

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They were probably raised to believe such behaviour was correct and admirable.

That's why I like that in the book Veruca's parents are punished along with her. They're partly to blame for how she turned out.

I did feel a little sorry for Mike Teevee's parents in the 2005 film however. They didn't seem too bad. They just had an aggressive, out-of-control, too-smart-for-his-own-good son, who they couldn't handle.


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I did feel a little sorry for Mike Teevee's parents in the 2005 film however. They didn't seem too bad. They just had an aggressive, out-of-control, too-smart-for-his-own-good son, who they couldn't handle.


How about turning off the TV for once? Or sitting down to a family dinner instead of feeding him TV dinners every night? Or not buying him a .45 when he turns 12?

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The one in the 2005 film wasn't a gun nut. And I don't recall him eating TV dinners.

He was more into violent video games.


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Whoops, I missed that it was the 2005 version.

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I think the Mike TV in the original movie was better. In fact I think all of the bad children in the old movie were more likable than the bad children in the new movie. I think the old movie is just more charming in general. Even the "bad" characters are charming. The parents are better too I believe.

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The bad kids aren't meant to be likeable or charming though.

Plus, Veruca was arguably a bigger brat in the 1971 version. Remember how she destroyed the golden-egg-laying-hen-room in this one? The 2005 version was a bit subtler in her brattiness. In fact, I'm surprised and disappointed that Burton didn't make 2005 Veruca more objectionable. I would have expected him to.


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Maybe "likable" and "charming" are the wrong words. But I found the "bad" children to be more fun to watch and listen to in the old movie. As bad as they were they didn't make me want to stop watching.

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I don't blame Charlie for running away. For all he knew, "Slugworth" could have been a "stranger" who was intending to kidnap/molest/murder him, etc. True, he and his family were poor, but being poor doesn't mean one should ignore common sense and wisdom. That, and his principles, that he would not sell Wonka out. Even though he was tempted to. That's why he was the winner. Because he held firm, no matter what. I agree with another poster here. Charlie was a good kid, but still a kid. Thus more believable/realistic, than the Charlie in the 2005 version. That Charlie seemed too saintly.

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And in (I think) both movies,too. Remember in the 1971 original where the dad jokes.."she'll be toasted"..before it sinks it that Veruca's REALLY going to HELL, or at least down the CHUTE, and Mr.Salt follows her!!

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Maybe Augustus, Mike and Violet wouldn't. But I know for sure Veruca would have sold Wonka out because when he was giving out the gobstoppers and made them promise not to tell anyone about it she had her hand crossed behind her back.

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