Why cabbage water every day?
There are other cheap foods out there. Carrots and celery and cheap. What about pasta or bread?
shareThere are other cheap foods out there. Carrots and celery and cheap. What about pasta or bread?
share*are cheap.
shareMaybe they grow their own cabbage.
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Well in one scene Charlie brought home a loaf of bread
shareYeah, and it was considered a "banquet", which made no sense. Bread is one of the cheapest foods you can buy. They could have been eating that some time instead of cabbage water.
shareTo me a lot of the things in this movie seem like exaggerations of real life. Not realistic but rather fantasy.
shareBecause all of the money was spent on Grandpa Joes tobacco.
Besides, it wasn't cabbage water it was sock soup (the left over water from when Mrs Bucket did the laundry).
If those pen pushers up at city hall don't like it,well, they swivel on this middle digit!
I don’t remember Charlie complaining about underwear soup. He complained specifically about cabbage water.
shareI assume you're kidding, but anyhow....
The only one who had a job (can't count a paper route, what could that bring home??) was the mother, and that was at the laundry.
Her salary was paying for the rent & ALL the other expenses for 6 people!
Of course they'd be broke as a joke! Cabbage water would make sense.
These days, that wouldn't even work.
I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus.
Didn't he discover America?
Penfold, shush.
Why didn’t Mrs. Bucket just stop feeding the four grandparents? They would eventually die and then she and Charlie would have more money to spend on Wonka bars.
shareBecause Mrs. Bucket wasn't operating a nursing home; otherwise, Charlie may have had enough money to obtain at least two golden tickets, get rich, and have some fun before the authorities find out what Mrs. Bucket and her "brainwashed" child did... prolly a great setup for a sequel, maybe?
shareNot nearly as good as the actual sequel the book got where Charlie, his family, and Willy Wonka take the glass elevater to outer space and have to fend off aliens as well as the U.S military who try shooting missiles at them.
shareMr. Bucket had a job, he worked at the toothpaste factory.
I don't remember Mrs. Bucket having a job in the book or tge film, just Mr. Bucket supporting six adults and one child, on a crappy factory salary.
Mr Bucket was deceased.
shareHe was alive and working at the toothpaste dactory in the book, and the remake.
shareYeah but here he was deceased I’m afraid
shareA minor mistake, IMHO. Just because a toothpaste factory is so much more Absurd than a laundry, and would have set the tone better.
shareCharlie’s mother actually worked hard and the laundry shack making underwear soup. Charlie’s father in the remake had a super easy job, all he had to do was screw on toothpaste caps. Had he worked a more complex job he could have made more money to feed his family.
shareI assumed they couldn't afford and therefore didn't buy the cabbage - that perhaps they got a cabbage leaf or two for free because it fell off a stall somewhere and that's why they made soup with it, to extend the flavour since one leaf can't feed more than five people. But that's just conjecture, it wasn't really explained. But if one loaf of bread is a feast, and a chocolate bar is a miracle despite costing a fallen coin in the street, my guess is they weren't buying any of their food.
shareThey believed it was cabbage soup because that is what they were told it was. The reality is it was left over water from when Mrs Bucket washed the socks....sock soup.
shareMrs Bucket was working double shifts at the Laundry shack yet couldn’t afford to buy a single cabbage?
shareAll monies went to Grandpa Joe for his tobacco addiction
shareIt was only 1 pipe a day…. can’t you allow him that one luxury to make his days tolerable?
shareWas it though?
can’t you allow him that one luxury to make his days tolerable?
If the lazy fucker wants to smoke then why can't he earn the money for it by working. Fuck him and his tolerable days.
How was he gonna work? He had no skills to be employable and besides the floor was too cold.
shareHow was he gonna work?
By getting his arse out of bed for starters
He had no skills to be employable
You don't know that. Besides he could have done manual labour.
and besides the floor was too cold.
And he used that excuse to stay in bed for 20 years....lazy bastard!
I have a hard time seeing that old bag of bones doing manual labor.
shareAnd I have a hard time watching him lie in bed as if he's at deaths door only to jump up and dance once the opportunity to go to Wonkas place comes up. Charlie should have taken his poor mother.
shareBut Charlie’s mother didn’t believe in the dream……
shareSeeing is believing
shareWhy would his mom want to go to the factory? Seems a bit boring really. Who in their right mind would be all excited to tour some factory? And who cares about all you can eat lifetime chocolate? Any adult would get sick of the chocolate after a few bites. At least senile Grandpa Joe seemed to get a kick out of it. Charlies mom would have advocated selling the gobstopper for the cool $10 thousand which would be over $70 thousand today. She'd be able to buy enough cabbages and bread loaves for a banquet every night and she's get to quit her job at the laundry shack.
shareWhy would his mom want to go to the factory? Seems a bit boring really. Who in their right mind would be all excited to tour some factory? And who cares about all you can eat lifetime chocolate? Any adult would get sick of the chocolate after a few bites. At least senile Grandpa Joe seemed to get a kick out of it.
Are you being deliberately obtuse here. Millions of people were trying to get their hands on the Golden tickets so that effectively answers your question.
Charlies mom would have advocated selling the gobstopper for the cool $10 thousand which would be over $70 thousand today. She'd be able to buy enough cabbages and bread loaves for a banquet every night and she's get to quit her job at the laundry shack.
Or, unlike criminal Joe she would have urged Charlie to hand it back rather than go down the route Joe suggested. After all it was handing the gobstopper back that won the day for Charlie.
There’s no guarantee that Charlie really won anything of value. The factory could have had crushing debt and lawsuits. Wonka likely wanted to sign the title over to a dumb kid like Charlie who wouldn’t realize the liabilities he’d be inheriting. And no person with their feet on the ground like Charlie’s mom would have cared about some factory tour or lifetime candy. She would prefer a practical reward like the $10 thousand from Sluggie. If you’re starving you wouldn’t even want chocolate. You would want savory food like steak and seafood to solve your hunger… not candy!
shareGroundless theory from you there. You have reached a whole new level of stupid. I would say well done, but it isn't a compliment.
She would prefer a practical reward like the $10 thousand from Sluggie.
There was no such reward available it was all a smoke screen by Wonka to wheedle out the unworthy ones. Charlie proved his worth, a characteristic more likely gained from his mother than his Grandpa Joe.
The kids still would have gotten the 10 thousand even if they had given the gobstopper to fake slugeworth… they just wouldn’t have gotten the candy or the factory.
shareWhere are you getting that from?
The offer was fake. What part of that don't you understand?
Why was the offer of money fake? The only thing that was fake was Slugworth being able to ruin Wonka with the gobstopper.
shareYou really need to pay attention when watching this movie instead of just making shit up.
Slugworth ( at least the one we see in the movie) was fake, a plant by Wonka. Ergo the offer was also fake.
There’s no connection there. If a kid betrayed Wonka he would have cut him/her the check for the 10 thousand and been disappointed. The kid would have never been the wiser that he traded the whole factory for some quick cash.
shareThere’s no connection there. If a kid betrayed Wonka he would have cut him/her the check for the 10 thousand and been disappointed.
Again, where are you getting this from? Where does it say Wonka would have done this. In fact, where is it even inferred?
The kid would have never been the wiser that he traded the whole factory for some quick cash.
No he wouldn't, but that's all irrelevant to what you are proposing. Had Charlie not handed over the gobstopper (proving to Wonka that he was the kind of person Wonka suspected he was) then he would have got nothing. There is no evidence to suggest otherwise. You are simply plucking that from thin air.
There is no evidence that Wonka would have backed out of the offer if the kids sold the gobstopper to fake slugworth.
shareSlugworth ( at least the one we see in the movie) was fake, a plant by Wonka. Ergo the offer was also fake.
Not true. Slugworth being fake just meant that Wonka was never actually at risk of his gobstopper recipe being stolen. It had no effect on whether the kid would actually get the $10k promised. The punishment the kid would face was getting some quick cash at the expense of losing out on owning the factory.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaoySOGlZ_U
shareIt also made no sense to take the lifetime chocolate instead of the money. The family was poor and needed real food not chocolate.
Could you imagine it that family having to live off nothing but chocolate every day? They'd be better off nutritionally with the cabbage water and jock-strap soup.
It also made no sense to take the lifetime chocolate instead of the money. The family was poor and needed real food not chocolate.
The life time chocolate wasn't catered for Charlies family it was catered for all contestants. So whether it made sense or not is irrelevant.
I'm saying it made total sense for Charlie to take the $10k offer. The family could have used the money to buy real food. A lifetime supply of candy would have been useless to the family who was in need of bread.
shareI'm saying it made total sense for Charlie to take the $10k offer.
It made financial sense for him to follow Grandpa Joes plan to sell it to Slugworth but ultimately, seeing as it was fake there was no $10000 to actually collect.
Wasn't it stupid thinking of Charlie to give back the gobstopper? As far as he was concerned he was turning down $10k.... and for what? So he could jerk to himself playing the role of a sanctimonious bastard? Grandpa Joe would have paddled Charlie's ass when the got home for being a moralistic son of a bitch and Charlies mother would have cheered her dad on while he did it.
shareDepends how you look at it. Charlie had followed Grandpa Joes lead and it nearly got him killed as well as apparently getting nothing. Maybe he thought to himself that handing that gobstopper back was the right move. Turns out his instinct or whatever was right.
A gamble but it paid off. Whereas imagine had he followed Grandpa Joes advice only to be told he'd messed up big time as there was no $10000 and he'd missed out on owning the factory.
I think Charlies mother and the other grandparents would have possibly lynched Joe for leading Charlie astray.
Maybe he thought to himself that handing that gobstopper back was the right move. Turns out his instinct or whatever was right.
A gamble but it paid off.
You actually believed that Charlie gave back the gobstopper as a gamble that his good deed might result in huge instant payoff? Stop being obtuse! He did it because he was a sanctimonious little prick! Had Charlie had one once of genuine morality he would have turned in that ill-gotten Silver Dollar to the nearest constable instead of spending his stolen loot on candy.
You actually believed that Charlie gave back the gobstopper as a gamble that his good deed might result in huge instant payoff?
What part of maybe did you miss? Furthermore, I said the right move. In other words not what Grandpa Joe (who had done nothing but get him in to trouble) proposed. He could never have guessed it would lead to a bigger pay off and I never inferred it would.
He did it for a reason. Whether or not he felt morally it was the right thing to do (after stealing the fizzy lifting drink) or not is neither here nor there. Maybe he WAS being a sanctimonious prick. Either way, he gave up the opportunity (fake or not) to give it to the man he believed was Slugworth.
You are now grasping at straws and going off on tangents to try and prove your point. You haven't and you can't. At the end of the day there was no $10000 up for grabs. Something you seem set on believing but there is only you who thinks so.
I agree, wearsalan. I don't get why he thinks Wonka was giving $10,000 to any of the kids. It was all a test by Wonka on who would inherit the factory. How that guy thought otherwise is odd.
shareSo you believe that there was a possibility that Charlie gave back the gobstopper in the hopes it would lead to a reward? Seriously you’re more obtuse than I thought…. You’re a 179 degree angle obtuse. Regarding the contest if you thought I was going to award you $10k but then you failed the larger secret contest where you could have won $1 million you’d be all happy to get $10k but never know how big a loser you were for not getting the secret $1 million prize. Same is true with wonkas contest.
shareSo you believe that there was a possibility that Charlie gave back the gobstopper in the hopes it would lead to a reward?
No, never said that.
Regarding the contest if you thought I was going to award you $10k but then you failed the larger secret contest where you could have won $1 million you’d be all happy to get $10k but never know how big a loser you were for not getting the secret $1 million prize. Same is true with wonkas contest.
Again, we are not talking about what I would be offered by YOU or what Grandpa Joe thought was on offer from Slugworth. We are talking about how Charlie felt and what HE did.
Furthermore, we were actually discussing the validity of the $10000 offer which you have yet to prove.
Nice try but epic fail there.
So you believe that there was a possibility that Charlie gave back the gobstopper in the hopes it would lead to a reward?
No, never said that.
"Maybe he thought to himself that handing that gobstopper back was the right move. Turns out his instinct or whatever was right.
A gamble but it paid off. "
Furthermore, we were actually discussing the validity of the $10000 offer which you have yet to prove.
The burden is on you to prove that he offer was fake. Just because Slugworth was really Mr. Wilkerson didn't mean the $10k payout opportunity wasn't real. For betraying Wonka for the cash, the kids would pay the larger penalty irrespective of getting the $10k.
"Maybe he thought to himself that handing that gobstopper back was the right move. Turns out his instinct or whatever was right.
A gamble but it paid off. "
So where does it say anything other than maybe? We don't know what went through Charlies mind. What's your take on what he done?
There is no burden on me to prove the offer was fake. Slugworth was fake so what makes you think the offer wasn't? THE BURDEN IS ON YOU HERE SEEING AS YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE ON THIS BOARD WHO SEEMS TO THINK THE OFFER IS REAL!
My guess is rent was high, especially for a place that fit six people, even if it was cramped.
shareIn the book, maybe, I can't recall. In the movie, this isn't specified.
sharePeople have it very soft today. Pasta? Seriously? People in major cities living in poverty would have considered bread good eating. Wheat for bread would have been the most available nutrition source because wheat for bread can be grown in most places on earth that has water to support human life. Vegetables require better soil limiting the places that potatoes and cabbage could be grown. Bread is pretty straight forward once in the home. Break off a piece and eat. Does not require boiling which requires a pot and heat source. Most people several generations ago lived little better than animals in terms of home and food.
shareI blame Grandpa Joe, always have, always will. For everything bad in life that happened, Grandpa Joe messed it up. Terrible man.
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