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A 12!!! NUDITY IS NOT 12 MATERIAL!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


As much as i did enjoy the nudity my 7 year old brother was watching at the same time! this is not a 12! waty do you think? (did you lads like the nudity by any chance)

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The funny thing about all that is that usually the most "responsive" age group to such nudity is usually more above the age of 7. Those below 7 will likely not really think much of it other than thinking it's funny, while a 12+ year-olds would have matured enough to see the eroticism. A bit of a paradox, isn't it.

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not true. kids aren't retarded. At that age they probably havn't even seen a fully naked body before. (not counting breast feeding cause the wouldn't be able to remember). anyways they know certain parts of the body that are considered forbidden to the eyes and usually already have fantasies (mentally) of them at ages as early as 7. so being exposed to that kind of material is not appropriate at all. and considering that it wasn't just a mere flash but a relatively lengthy and fully exposed sense, yes i do see a problem in a 7 year old watching this movie.

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--- (7 year old kids) know certain parts of the body that are considered forbidden to the eyes ---

Not if they are brought up to understand that the human body is not forbidden or shamefull. If they believe such then it is because of the hang-ups of their parents and nothing to do with human nature.

In none threatening environments it is perfectly healthy that 7 year old should be confetable with seeing parents/siblings/close relatives naked or being naked around them (say at the beach or bathing). Same goes for movies, I would concider the nudity in Walkabout none threatening, and the same can be said for other movies such as Jabberwocky (a kid's film with Michael Palin's arse AND blatant full-frontal female nudity LOL) or Mrs.Henderson Presents (lots of male and female full frontal shots but only awarded an "under 12's must be accompaned by an adult" 12A cerificate). I don't believe my child was disturbed by the nudity in any of the above movies.

I think it pointless to stop a child from watching a movie just because it features the odd snipet of naked flesh. Moderatly sexual nudity for an 7 year old is OK (eg: say a brief shot of a naked someone getting into a bed with another person, that's OK as they already know that's what Mummy & Daddy do sometimes) but I wouldn't want them to see even a mild sex scene (because at 7 they don't understand what is going on). None-sexualy nudity and most nudity for comedy's sake are, I feel, also acceptable for a healthy 7 year old.












"I think you're a load of old crap too, Mr Mulligan."

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not true. kids aren't retarded. At that age they probably havn't even seen a fully naked body before. (not counting breast feeding cause the wouldn't be able to remember). anyways they know certain parts of the body that are considered forbidden to the eyes and usually already have fantasies (mentally) of them at ages as early as 7. so being exposed to that kind of material is not appropriate at all. and considering that it wasn't just a mere flash but a relatively lengthy and fully exposed sense, yes i do see a problem in a 7 year old watching this movie.


OMG!. You have got to be kidding!
If a child has not seen a few naked bods by the age of 7 then there is something seriously wrong with the upbringing of that child. Children do not have a natural negativity toward nudity and it is very normal and highly recommended that they be exposed to nudity via bathing with siblings or parents, sleepovers, swimming, change-rooms, etc. It is unnatural and dangerous to deprive children of natural curiosity and the chance to feel unafraid of their bodies and the sight of other peoples' bodies. Sadly there seems to be an increasing number of people with distorted views like yourself. Perhaps you should seek out a psychiatrist and discuss your phobias before they are used to damage any young people who are exposed to your unfortunately warped way of thinking. I certainly hope you don't have any kids of your own.

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If a child has not seen a few naked bods by the age of 7 then there is something seriously wrong with the upbringing of that child.

Oh, so that's what's wrong with me.

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@ aar809 : Wot ???? Where did you grow up ? When i was a kid i saw my parents & sisters nude all the time . As was I . This is perfectly normal in Europe . I'm assuming you are in the U.S. as only they could be so uptight about such things . WoW you people are messed up !

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It is only in the USA that there is such a bizarre combination of puritanical hostility to nudity, sexualisation of children and even babies, and promiscuity. A truly sick society.

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Promiscuous? Some wacko over at Bigthink ranked countries and the US was #22 right on top of France. Then there's also this:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1090612/Now-Britain-leading-world--promiscuity.html

I checked out some Rape statistics too. Again, UK fared worse than the US. Although some other European countries had impressive ratings.

Now take everything you said about the USA and replace "in the USA" with "with arabs". Or "with muslims". Or whatever other group that fits. Notice how it's okay to bash the USA but bashing these other groups is seen as an outrage? Please be more polite to the many hard-working and upstanding citizens of the USA that take all the crap idiots like you throw at them for no good reason. Thank you.

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I completely AGREE, Royalcourtier. America is the only place where womens' breasts, etc. are "nasty" and not beautiful, naturally. (See any breastfeeding controversy.) It is a sick way of looking at nudity, here in the USA. I truly wish the society/men would EVOLVE to the level of artistic appreciation of a natural nude body that IS in most other places around the World. Until then, it really IS a sick society.

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It's hilarious that this thread turned to America bashing, when the original poster is clearly NOT American. Here's a couple hints: 1) Movies aren't rated "12" in the US - the rough equivalent is "PG-13." 2) "lads." Those two add up to Ireland or the UK being most likely.

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I was responding to aar809 ( who has some pretty strange views )

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You are an idiot!!

First of all your delusion that Europe is a sexual liberated utopia and America hates sex is an over-used and silly argument with no merit and nothing to it other than the fact you are clearly just another douchebag European, completely in love with your own country and just wants to rag on America and its people, what a brave social stance you have taken!

Second, the OP referred to the rating as "12", is that a rating that exists in America? No, its british you idiot.

Just proving that for all your smart-alleck, pseudo-intellectual, self-righteous behaviour, the only people that spend time on these message boards for this website are the most pathetic people on the internet.

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Who me Badgertwat ? You've taken over 4 years to think of an intelligent response and that is all you can come up with ?!?!? I rest my case ....

That which does not Kill me makes me Stranger

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Because the post is 4 years old, I took that amount of time thinking up an answer?

Wow, you are staggeringly stupid. Maybe end your life.

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Yes that is what i said . Catch on quick don't you ?

That which does not Kill me makes me Stranger

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I would like to know the reasoning behind your belief that young children should not see naked humans. Do children that young have sexual desires for others?

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I don't think the nudity is the slightest problem at all, but I do worry about a young child seeing a movie with all the animal killing. I know that it is "real life" and probably a child needs to be exposed to this reality at some point, but I am not sure at which age it is okay. I'm a full grown adult and while I, of course, do understand that animals have to be killed (and I am a carnivore), there was so much of it that was sad and disturbing (and unquestionably graphic) even for me (particularly the spearing and cutting up of the kangaroos and the shooting and eviceration of the cattle). I might not want a child of seven to see this; not yet, anyway.

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LOL. It's a 12. Your 7 year old brother shouldn't have been watching it anyway!

Actualy, speaking as a parent, I'd say that with proper parental supervision this movie would be fine for a 7 year old, though most would probably get bored of it.

And yes, for what it's worth, I did like Jenny's nudity. While they're not sexy as such, the swimming scenes are very sensual, the combination of that lovely music, the way they are shot, and Jenny herself (there's no getting around that she was a very pretty 16 year old), make them very memmorable.






"I think you're a load of old crap too, Mr Mulligan."

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I can see absolutely no reason why a 7-year-old would be depraved, shocked or led astray by an artful series of shots of a nude woman. Yes, I can understand why one might have concerns about allowing somebody of that age to see a sex scene. There is, however, nothing wrong with him seeing this. Actually, the tragic suicide at the end would probably trouble somebody of that age more.

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Nudity does not automatically equal eroticism; that's in the mind of the beholder. It was a beautiful interlude and totally appropriate for all ages.

I agree that the suicide was far more of a shocker--but I also don't have a problem with confronting children with reality, as long as there are open lines of communication and you're ready to address their fears. Far better for them to know that the World is not always a Happy Place, but that one can stand up to it.

This film has haunted me for 36 years. I've only seen part of it ONCE on cable, just a few years' ago. I've got to get ahold of a copy.


***Spooki****

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Here we are,in 2007,still trying to talk about nudity in movies(that wasnt sex Bill Haydon).....
Weirdest thing would be,that we wouldnt talk that much about it(or better yet we wouldnt talk about it in this "manner"),if it was nudity in some painting(especially of somebody famous),and surely we wouldn't have forbidden the 12 year old to see it and all that.
I also feel like pointing out that miss Agutter is a marvellous sight in the film

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I saw this film with my parents when it was a new release. I was 7 years old then and I still remember seeing the "swimming" part. Now of course I am a total pervert sex-offender axe-murderer (NOT). Jeeez for f#%&* sake what's the big deal about a bit of nudity? Preventing children from seeing nudity is just unnatural. It's not like it's pornogrphy - no, just a girl having a swim, and do you think seeing some girls boobs and bush is really harmful to a child - not at all. Go back to your village pilgrim.

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alexander-combe, shut up!

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I know it's not a sex scene, washcloud. That was precisely my point, you cretin. I said that I saw no problem showing this scene to a young person, but -- by way of comparison -- I could understand why somebody would not wish to show a strong sex sequence to a child. Learn to read, learn to punctuate and learn to comprehend.

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I was quite 'perked' by the nude scene - but this was not becuase it was wrong in any way but rather becuase modern films have sexualised nakedness or shyed away from it coyley so much that it comes as a surprise to see it here.

That says a lot about the sad state of cinema that I should have been conditioned for this reaction, when of course, nudity is natural and I think its a beautiful thing to be comfortable with your own and others nudity.
So I think thats where the confusion comes into watching this film - in the context of our coy-or-sex-mad film environment - we think "it MUST be sexual, oh dear!". Stupid modern films.

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An-even-quick re-reading of yr original post,made me wonder how could have i misinterpeted yr words back then, Bill Haydon:You are absolutely right,u never said this was a sex scene,and im sorry i was wrong to correct u...
However,especially since english isn't my native language,i think if i punctuate according to the book or not,isnt an imdb issue-its rather my own business and sure as hell isnt f... yours.Respectively,it isnt yours to tell me i should learn to read,since like i stated it was merely an unfortunate happening,to have misread yr post-something tht im sure happens to everybody now and then.
...Oh and as far as comprehension goes,up yours.
(cause i DID comprehend that ur a piece of u know what,for callin ppl cretins, without actually havin been called a name in the first place)
Blow it out yr a.s.s and have a happy thanksgiving.

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I agree; Jenny is very pretty at this age. But, when you do the math (her birth 1952, movie date 1971), she was 19 when this film apparently came out. I'd say it's safe to assume that she was probably 18 or 19 when it was filmed, unless there's something I don't know!

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Jesus Christ! Check the filming date under 'Business' - it says August 1969. So if you "DO THE MATH" then she was 16. She even confirms this on the Criterion DVD in which she comments that filming clashed with her O-Levels - exams you take in the UK when you are 16. I have even heard her confirm her age at the time of filming in her own words in an interview. Since she was born in December 1952 then she was only just 18 when it premiered, so you even do your sums wrong anyway.

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Walkabout was shot in 1969 just before she filmed "the Railway Children" (the movie version) in 1969, only for British Lion show their usual respect for quality product ("the Wickerman" comes to mind...) and actualy shelve it for 2 years.

If Jenny's birth date, as stated here on IMDB, is 20th December 1952 then that would almost certainly make her 16 when "Walkabout" was shot, which I feel fits in with her appearance as I would say she looks 15/16.

:-) Thanks for bringing the point up, I've never really thought about it enough to actualy check how old she was in this film, but now I have.





"I think you're a load of old crap too, Mr Mulligan."

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And I can confirm that Jenny was 16 when Walkabout was filmed as I've discussed it with her. The desert sequences were filmed Aug-Dec 1969 and her birthday is definitely 20 Dec 1952.

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The nudity in the film was lovely, I thought. I don't worry too much about nudity of this kind. You see it very rarely anyway--usually nudity in film is highly sexualized and moreover is rarely involving what I'd call emotionally healthy situations.

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Yes, here we are in 2007 and people still get upset and offended by seeing other humans with no clothes on.
Strangely enough we are born into this world naked, yet there is a rush to cover up and never allow clothes to come off again.
In reality, the only two valid reasons for wearing clothes are:

1) Warmth
2) Protection

If it is warm enough and we don't need protection, we don't need clothes on!

Just like this bizarre need to put clothes on in order to get them wet - as in swimming. Why do it? Do you put clothes on to take a shower or a bath?

Swimming naked is the most natural thing to do, and this movie is no exception in that respect.
Putting clothes on to swim is like some freudian extension of needing clothes on when it's warm.
A strange behaviour, sadly exhibited by a large percentage of society.
As for nudity not being suitable for children, it's not the kids that have a problem with it. It's the parents with the hangups that "think" that their kids are going to be traumatised for life if they happen to see a bare bum or some titties.
Most kids have no issue with nudity - why would they? After all, it's not until a parent with hangups teaches them that there is something wrong and shameful about the human body that a child begins to think otherwise.

I say we need more movies that show a natural and simple way of life!


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'PG' films with some nudity

Man with a Golden Gun (1974) - brief
Kramer vs Kramer (1979) - moderate
A Room with a View (1985) - 'brief' nudity yeah right.
Manon des Sources (1986) - brief
The Fifth Element (1997) - brief

These are just those I've seen. Male nudity is normally 'worse' and so some films with the same amount of male nudity in one film as female nudity in another film are often rated higher for some reason.

The BBFC - nudity in films rated '12'
Nudity is allowed, but in a sexual context must be brief and discreet.

Spare a talent for an old ex-leper?

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Off the top of my head here, to add to the above list, are a few more UK PG movies with nudity:

(looks towards own video/dvd collection...)

La Rayon Vert - plently of moderate nudity (ie topless bathers) during a scene on a beach
Le Beau Mariage - brief full-frontal female who is also seen in from the back while taking a shower
My Life As a Dog - brief female full-frontal
Amadeus - brief male full-frontal
Jaberwocky - brief full-frontal female (same woman also seen topless and "from behind"), also features Michael Palin's arse (on the back of the video sleeve LOL!)
Orlando - moderate (and essential to plot) full-frontal female
Cinema Paradiso (original cut) - brief topless female (not to mention a shot of some young men in the cinema obviously masturbating over Brigette Bardot)
From Russia With Love - brief shot of naked woman getting into Bond's bed
Carry On Behind - prolonged "from behind" shot of embarrased naked female exposed when shower cubicle door falls off, earlier in the movie a cine film of a topless dancer is accidently shown at an educational lecture. "Carry On Behind" also features a brief shot of Kenneth William's behind)
Carry On Nurse - naked woman in bath is repeatedly disturbed by people climbing in through her bathroom window
Carry On Abroad - Barbara Windsor is seen naked in the shower
Carry On Camping - opening scene features 2 couples watching a movie about a nudist colony (I recognise the movie but can't name it) with some added close-up footage of a topless woman "discovering" the camp
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen - naked woman seen from behind and soon after lounging in a hammock, plus a blatant Uma Thurman nipple slip
Munchhausen - m-a-n-y topless woman seen during the harem scene (and this was made in 1943 LOL)
The Charge of the Light Brigade - topless woman in bathhouse
Pop Scene (R.E.M. video collection) - "Pop Song '89" features 3 topless female dancers
Big Fish - brief very moderate female nudity and shot of Danny DeVito's arse

I am sure there are more, even in my collection (just spotted my Werner Herzog/Klaus Kinski DVD boxset, so you can add "Fitzcaraldo" and "Cobra Verde" to the list...)

It's worth noting that during the 80's both "Carry On Camping" and "Carry On Behind" where regularly shown uncut on the BBC as Saturday afternoon filler.

Also, the "Universal" rated movie "Sinbad and the Eye of the Tiger" features a prolonged nude bathing scene featuring the 2 female leads.





"I think you're a load of old crap too, Mr Mulligan."

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Notice the aboriginal women who find the car. They are topless, a natural state in many cultures. She tries to hide her breasts from the boy, but that means nothing to him. She is skinny dipping and he is working. Sex for him is procreation. He has not time to skinny dip, except at the end, and that is fantasy or maybe even heaven without all our hangups about nudity.

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If it had gun fights, it would have been appropriate, but HOLY DAMN, NUDITY!!! OH my GAAWWWWWWWD!!!...

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Now you've done it. You've exposed a 7 year old boy to nudity. Way to go. You just created the next Hitler, happy?

I like the nudity, at least the female nudity. Thank God for telephoto lenses.

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I have to admit I was a bit surprised to learn that Walkabout got a PG rating considering the full frontal nudity. But the fact that it was natural and not in a sexual or exploitive nature was probably the basis for which it won the appeal. Still, I bet this raised quite a few eyebrows at the time.

Actually, 1971 was an odd year for movie ratings. Other PG-rated movies released that year that had nudity include Billy Jack and The Vanishing Point. And then there was the Dario Argento movie Cat O' Nine Tails which not only had a topless Catherine Spaak but also some graphic violence, which makes the original PG rating all the more questionable.

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I think the meaning of the certificate has changed over time. 'PG' denotes 'parental guidance' and taken at its most literal interpretation most films fall within the remit of parental guidance. However it's treated as a 'U' these days whereas U itself is treated primarily as a children's certificate.

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