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Why do we like El Topo so much?


I cant quite put my finger on it? Any theories ?
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Well, my best attempt to explain why is to paraphrase Alejandro Jodorowsky himself. He once said that many directors make their films with their eyes. He makes his with his "cojones". For me, i guess that's why i admire the man and his movies: he made them with "cojones". No pussy-footing for ol' Jodo! And you got to admire that! I certainly do.

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I really like the film because...well, i honestly don't know, but I love every minute of it. I can't wait to get it back from my psychology teacher.

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Good luck!!! Everytime I have ever let a teacher borrow a movie it takes them like a year to get it back. I like El Topo so much because there is absolutely nothing predictable about it.

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Thats true by god. Newman is very good about getting movies back when he is done though. He didn't like it very well though...
"A person doesn't wear a Texas Bronco Shirt, except in Texas"-----Garcian Smith, Killer 7

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It always took a million years to get mine back from a teacher too! Coincidence?!! I think not!

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Well next time...

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I haven't seen much of El Topo. I want to, but I haven't had sufficient access to it. I have, however, seen Fando and Lis and will suggest something based on that viewing. How many movies remind us of the pure possibility of life? As I see it, most movies have events that unfold in a certain direction, with certain meanings nailed down. It seems to me that Jodorowsky's work addresses us where we are, not in a place of pat meanings but of wonder, of still discovering reality, of still being alive to redefine it. A movie whose makers have given themselves the liberty to marvel like newborns at violence and sunlight and mystical happenings even they don't understand, seems to me an honest stance. I worked at a post production facility where my bosses were copying a rare laser disk of El Topo. "Look at this terrible movie, Steve," my boss told me. "But I think you'll like it." One of the things I really disliked about my boss was that he used to tell me, along with helpful technical information, what "life" was "really all about." What was he, a religious guru simply because he handed me a paycheck? I found him to be an arrogant prick in the end and he was the reason I finally quit. I don't like people telling me what life is all about. I think I just like people better who admit they know nothing and can marvel with the rest of us. It's refreshing.

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Just saw El Topo today... couldn't say it better myself... amazing movie...

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I watched it a few hours ago, and was probably one of the most disappointing films I've seen in a long time. It was less a spiritual journey and more of a film by a guy strung out on acid (and not in a good way).

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El Topo is a genuine piece of cinematic art from a deep thinking individual and I sincerely doubt that the director was strung out on any drugs when you consider the scope of his films and the work that went into them.

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I suppose everyone has a different experience after watching the film, and maybe that is why it became a Midnight Movie phenomenom. It is certainly a unique and unpredictable film, and has some very memorable sequences. However, and I know many of you will disagree, it is also not a terribly good film. I had not had access to the film, because it was only available in laserdisk or Japanese bootlegs. I had reach much about it, however, and was fully aware of its status in the Pantheon of cult classics. Like any cult movie, I certainly expected some quirkiness to the film, but was excited when I finally found a copy of it at a local video store. Maybe it was the hype, but I must say I was try dissapointed. The film feels like a 2 hour lond LSD trip, where not much makes sense. Now, the simple reply here from admirers of the film would be, "Ah, you just don't get it." Believe me, I have read aboutt this film and read reviews from people that love it, and I understand the film. I believe this film is a victim to what I call the "arthouse syndrome." This is a film that, when you look at it carefully, is not very good and would have normally gotten panned by every critic or audience member. However, because a certain elite group declared it a masterpiece, many subsequent viewers are afraid to call it a bad film in fear of being labeled a simpleton. Perhaps I need repeated viewings of the film, but as it stands, I am rather dissapointed by it. At risk of being that simpleton, I am calling it a bad film.

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I really don't see this as anything like an acid trip. Artistic yes but hallucinatory/ psyhedelic no. It does have a very specific artistic feel to it and where I can understand your not liking it what I do believe is assenine is your saying it's only liked by people and enjoyed and revered is because some shadowy group of hippies and junkies said it was cool to like. It's cool for you not to like it but don't insinuae thgat those that enjoy it and speak well of it are just blind sheep following a trend.

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You said it stephenpitkin. Jodorowsky seems to have a way of looking at life from a very detached perspective. I think back to one of the opening scenes in Holy Mountain, where he had armies of toads (or were they frogs?) massacring each other over a play city to the tune of trumpets and war drums. What I take from that is, "hey, look at everyone kill themselves like a bunch of slimy animals over and over again for absolutely no reason!! Weee! Life is funny, ain't it?" He seems to really, really GET what human nature is all about, and although it ain't pretty, he does a damn good job of illustrating it and even injecting the odd bit of humor in it here and there.

El Topo is the story of a sleazeball killer who, over time, grows to truly appreciate life, only to have everything he worked for destroyed by the dark side of human nature. Even Shakespeare might find a story like that too depressing. Still, it manages to hit on some very real issues. And, you know, it like totally trips you out along the way. *cough, cough*, far out, man.

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Well I just finished watching the film and I love it.
Know why?
because It is like a hollywood version of my all time favourite film;
'The color of pomegranites' By Sergei Parajanov

I cant believe that I've never stumbled across El Topo before.

If you like El Topo then check out the films by Parajanov, you'll be glad you did - they could almost be by the same director - and strangely enough 'color of pomegranites' was made in 1968 (I wonder if Jodorowsky saw it?)
Suram fortress by Parajanov even has a similar-ish story.

The reason that I love this type of film?
Because everything today is too damned litteral, the story is always in the dialogue, the effects are so much larger than life they are no longer conected with the reality that I, for one, live in and the subjects are always vaguely propogandistic or at least 'good examples'.
This film works on a level beneath litteral language, it is intuitive and almost purely visual and symbolic. you could watch it in swahili or greek and it would still make as much sense (which is more than most films in english).

But most of all when I watch a tale told like this, I suspend disbelief entirely, I understand that the old woman is wise because she has an owl nailed to her little desk and I dont care that her buttons do up differently in different scenes. For a moment I become just like thousands of people have done throughout the ages down through time - completely wrapped up in the multiplicity of messages as the travelling storyteller uses all the skills that were passed down to him.

As oposed to feeling left out if I can't say that I've been to see the latest thin story that some meeting in a large corporation has decided to go with, in a watered down version (to reduce the risk) and only then because there might be merchandising spin offs.




Seriously though take a look at
pomegranites
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063555/
and follow the directors link to his other films too.

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I'm a little curious as to what exactly you consider as Hollywood it was a very unhollywood film by standard comparison. sure it riffed on hollywood standards like the spaghetti Westren but the film itself was not very hollywood especially beause it was a foreign language film.

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Anyone who says this film is "like a crazy acid trip or something..." has clearly not taken the drug...ha.

I will double the strength of the above quote.

"The reason that I love this type of film?
Because everything today is too damned litteral, the story is always in the dialogue, the effects are so much larger than life they are no longer conected with the reality that I, for one, live in and the subjects are always vaguely propogandistic or at least 'good examples'.
This film works on a level beneath litteral language, it is intuitive and almost purely visual and symbolic. you could watch it in swahili or greek and it would still make as much sense (which is more than most films in english)."

And to add to it...I assume that most people don't enjoy this film because they don't invest any of their own thought into the story, the symbolism, and the characters. Nor do they try to relate to the story, the symbolism, or the characters in any way. And I might also add that most people simply don't enjoy films that aren't as flashy as Transformers, or the latest super action hollywood film...this is accredited to small attention spans. People want to go to a movie and shut their brains off and escape reality. You need to do the opposite of that while watching El Topo, or any other Jodorowsky film.

P.S. A word of advice: watch the damn film more than once! (perhaps even 3 or 4 times!)

Peace.

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"Anyone who says this film is "like a crazy acid trip or something..." has clearly not taken the drug...ha."

haha, I was thinking the same thing! In fact, I don't think any film could be compared to an acid trip. If anyone disagrees, please let me know, because I'd love to see that film!

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Some of my favorite movies are literal. They have interesting dialogue and drama, but I respect them more if they work on a visual level. What are the characters doing? What are they wearing? Any symbolic uses of colors or shapes in the frames? I could interpret this film, El Topo, in more than one. I make the experience my own--but it needs effort, and many viewers do not will to expend their thoughts contemplating the "meaning of life" of a particular movie.

I'll admit that I am skipping posts, but everything you included in your reply is spot on. The fact that most stories today are literal--I was given a frown from a sequential art profession because my narrative "read like a diary": it made sense to me, but to the outsiders--nope! Honestly, I forgotten to add dialogue, which might have helped. Even so, I relied on the pictures, symbols, mood, and placement of all things in the frame. My assignment came out this way not because I wanted it like this; I am a very intuitive, I allow myself to work with impulses, or a vagueness to hold the narrative together. One student, however, seemed to enjoy my style, for I guess he felt this was his favorite way of storytelling, too? This movie is linear storytelling, so it's literal there.

Is this film poetic? I think so.

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Its beneficial to watch El Topo with an open mind. It was quite intriguing in its use of symbolism and metaphorical associations of the characters.

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i will relate something i just read in a book about sufism (a creed which is all over jodorowsky and el topo in particular)

from "the sufis", idries shah:
There is a story in Aesop's fables about a young mole who went to his mother and told her that he could see. Now, as most people know, sight is something traditionally lacking in moles. This one's mother decided to test him. She accordingly placed in front of him a piece of frankinscence, and asked him what it was.
"A stone," said the little mole.
"Not only are you blind", his mother answered, "but you have lost your sense of smell as well."...
"Mole" in Arabic (khuld, from the radical KHLD) is written in the same way as khalad, which stands for "eternity, thought, mind, soul," according to the context. Because only the consonants are written, there is no way of telling, in isolation, which word is intended.

this mystic tidbit is certainly not lost on jodorowsky... i think thats why his films are so appealing. the mystery flowing from thousands of years of spiritual symbolism... even if one does not recognize every particular symbol or reference, there is great power innately vested in these thoughts.

el topo is a "western". there is a double meaning to this... the film not only plays with the film genre, "western", it also symbolically depicts the experience of the search for meaning in the western world.

rather be forgotten than remembered for giving in.

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From Jim in Scotland
All i know is that i got a copy of EL TOPO and gave it to one of the lassies i work with... i enjoyed it so much (even rewinding bits back again trying to understand what i was trying to understand and found again bits i had missed) and thought no one will like this at work. Lo and behold ..it's the best voted film this year at work.




Jodorowsky's a saint now in our humble opinion, the "MOLE" does not follow all the money, script, advertising, reality, $12,000,000 boring films/movies out there.



We just love it!!.


Work force of 45 ........... 39 loved it six didn't...PS the six are now making little round pebbles stones of the graves ... AYE it's TRUE

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Right on Jim! Perhaps its a metaphor for how all life is suffering the guy has it pretty bad, but he never gives up his belief and aspiration (whatever it may be)

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I loved this movie.

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Well, the first half works as a classic action story. A gunslinger faces off against several masters, and its like an twist on a tired tale. For example, a young kung fu master must defeat the 5 warriors of weapons or something like that.

Then at the midpoint, the story becomes more allegorical with the jesus reference, and the immolation and non acceptance of the deformed people.

It all adds together for one amazing film.

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Reasons why I adore El Topo.

1. Western Setting.
2. Creepy Score
3. Excessive Violence
4. Bizarre Imagery
5. Unpredictable Ending
6. The Two-in-One no armed/no legged fighter.
7. The sexy El Topo Villianess.


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I like the guy with no legs carrying around the guy with no arms.. TEAMWORK!!

Also, that crazed Russin roulette scene.

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"You complete me."

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I like it because it defies explanation and constantly challenges the viewer to think. It works whether you are looking for a story line or just want some cool, hypnotic imagery to take you out of your little world for a few hours. The cinematography and design of this film are impeccable. I only with the sound design wasn't so distracting. 8/10 stars from me.

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