Was she in the wrong?


The beautiful confident woman is suddenly struck with the death of her husband. In her state of vulnerability, the only person there to comfort her is the awkward young boy who has fallen in love with her. He is even more vulnerable than her, and she seems to bestow an enormous favor upon him by making love to him at that moment. Yet ultimately she just needed to share her pain with someone, she can't cope with her loss on her own. He presumably would have turned her down if he could, but he needed to help her in her state of distress.

Quite a fragile state was reached and ended up for the benefit of everyone involved. It couldn't have happened between them at any other time and of course she had to leave after before he came around wanting more.

This film quite blurs the line between who is making the "sacrifice" for who.

A beautiful haunting story and film. Was a decent comedy for the first half, the ending was really pulled through. I personally think any discussions of underage sex and such are irrelevant since they both wanted it, and in particular he kept coming around her house looking for it.



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Well said but I will add that the movie is ambiguous about what happened. I read an interview with Herman Raucher and he says that he and Dorothy never consummated their relationship. They simply held each other all night with her repeatedly calling him, 'Pete,' the name of her husband whom she had just found out had been killed in action.

I'm glad the film leaves it open to interpretation. Yes, they needed one another but for very different reasons. He needed her to feel like more of an adult and to feel important. She needed him, at that moment, to feel alive again.

It's a powerful, haunting sequence and one of the most subtlely beautiful scenes ever put on film.

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Interesting. I also read an interview with Mr. Raucher and he relayed the story on how Dorothy contacted him several years later after the film was made (he knew it was her from the specifics that no one else would know). He said how she said she was guilt ridden about what happened and was glad he was OK. Seems to me if Hermie had just held Dorothy that night as she grieved for her dead husband, there would be nothing to feel guilty about.

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Despite the author's description, I believe Robert Mulligan intended that they did have sex. The wording of Dorothy's letter to Hermie and the feeling that Hermie would never be the same after that night could only result from a life-altering experience. Hermie felt compassion and love for her, and Dorothy felt the need for human contact in her moment of despair. The scene when they are slow dancing, Hermie is crying with her because he sees she is in pain, but his youth prevents him from knowing how to help her, so he allows himself to be "led" because she needs him as much as he needs her.

The significance of Hermie's relationship with Dorothy is brought to light in Mulligan's final narration: "And in a special way, I lost Hermie forever." He had lost his innocence, both sexually and emotionally.


Nothing's happening so fast!

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^ I'd concur with that. Why pretend it's something else. Yes she was wrong though nothing horrible happened. Two people caught up in random circumstance. Anomalies happen.

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Back then did laws like STATUTORY RAPE only apply to men? Could a woman be prosecuted for it? I know Megan's Law and sex offender registry did not exist but there were still laws.

By the way some of these laws need to be adjusted. Putting the female character in this movie (should a similar situation occur in modern times) on a sex offender registry would be INSANE.

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I will go a step further, I wish that I had been "molested" by a woman that hot back when I was a teen.

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I will go a step further, I wish that I had been "molested" by a woman that hot back when I was a teen.


Yeah, as grown men, we all wish that NOW, even fantasize about it. But very few males at that age can deal with something like this without it having a profound impact on their adulthood. Several young men in that situation later committed suicide.



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That's stupid.

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Interesting. I also read an interview with Mr. Raucher and he relayed the story on how Dorothy contacted him several years later after the film was made (he knew it was her from the specifics that no one else would know). He said how she said she was guilt ridden about what happened and was glad he was OK. Seems to me if Hermie had just held Dorothy that night as she grieved for her dead husband, there would be nothing to feel guilty about.


She'd been tricked by an increasingly PC culture that she'd "abused" him --- teenaged boys are even more romantically-minded than girls (contrary to popular belief) and it was a terrific, meaningful memory for him. But the poor woman wound up thinking she was a pervert who'd raped him, supposedly damaging him forever.

Perhaps it's different with guys, but what's legal and what's moral or normal are different thing. And the voluntary nature of such things makes a huge difference on a person psychologically, and the relationship was consenual.

No, I'm not calling for women to start cruising the junior highs, but a lot of this puritannical political correctness got started in the '80s, when anybody under-18 was seen as a statutory-rape/rape/molestation victim -- even when many States still had an age of consent law of 16 (and some even 14!). So the States couldn't even get their legal indignance in line with each other.

"I will go a step further, I wish that I had been "molested" by a woman that hot back when I was a teen."

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Yeah, as grown men, we all wish that NOW, even fantasize about it. But very few males at that age can deal with something like this without it having a profound impact on their adulthood. Several young men in that situation later committed suicide.


Most pubescent and post-pubescent boys are utterly obsessed with sex. And it's not just "fantasy" which why so many of them actively engage in it, despite societal disapproval.

You seem to be talking about some kind of enforced rape scenario. But voluntary, consensual sex for a 15 year old boy with a non-minor rarely drives him to suicide --- except, perhaps, when the sex stops. That's a killer.


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She'd been tricked by an increasingly PC culture that she'd "abused" him --- teenaged boys are even more romantically-minded than girls (contrary to popular belief) and it was a terrific, meaningful memory for him. But the poor woman wound up thinking she was a pervert who'd raped him, supposedly damaging him forever.


Except that the gestation of her guilt occurred in the 1940s, not during the current PC madness we are "enjoying" now.

Most pubescent and post-pubescent boys are utterly obsessed with sex. And it's not just "fantasy" which why so many of them actively engage in it, despite societal disapproval.


True, but that is the same for females as well. While the hormones in their bodies are driving their urges, hormones do nothing for their emotional maturity.

You seem to be talking about some kind of enforced rape scenario. But voluntary, consensual sex for a 15 year old boy with a non-minor rarely drives him to suicide --- except, perhaps, when the sex stops. That's a killer.


You couldn't be more wrong. Ever notice that the defense of May-December sex never comes from the teenagers themselves? It all seems harmless at our ages now but I assure you it isn't. In our town a young man did attempt suicide after such an encounter. In therapy, it was revealed that this young, immature but intelligent (almost brilliant) child couldn't come to grips with what happened. True story.

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I had an experience when I was a teenage boy that was similar to this one, although it more closely resembled Ben's first intimate encounter with Mrs. Robinson in "The Graduate". Other than my regret at having been so nervous and unexperienced at the time, I'm very glad it happened. I was not traumatized, nor did suicide as a result of the event ever occur to me. I wish every boy could be lucky enough to be introduced to intimacy by an attractive, patient older woman.

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It could have been she lead him all the way until the very last moment and backed out that could be the reason she feels guilty.

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no.

(i)Save me from the people who would save me from myself(/i)

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The sex between them in my opinion was sacred, not sinful. It was a "healing" for both of them!

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Yes, she was.

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No, she wasn't.

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Yes, she was, times infinite.

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Phew.. how do you beat that argument??

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