The Real England


This film shows, perhaps better than any other, what England is like when you get yourself outside of London. A dark, depressing place, with low-browed, inbred, racist natives violently opposed to 'foreigners', be they American, Welsh, Scottish, Irish, Asian, African or European. As a Brit myself I am in a position to say this with authority.

There was probably a bit of artistic licence taken with the rape, as I can't honestly say I've noticed that the English are disproportionately prone to that sort of thing where outsiders are concerned, but nonetheless the picture this movie paints is an honest, unflinching one - and one which the English film industry has done its best to conceal from the outside world for the last century. It took an American to show the world the truth.

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Went through a little village in Wales(UK close enough),Driving through there we noticed that the locals were watching us wicker man style,very strange

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I'm surprised that happened to you in Wales actually - must have been a border town is all I can think. But for an outsider in England that'd be par for the course. They have female paedophiles there now you know, oh yes.

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"As a Brit myself I am in a position to say this with authority"

Thank you, possibly the funniest thing I've read on IMDB for ages. What authority have you imagined for yourself? Are you HIgh Lord of making *beep* up??

I can only assume you've not travelled around much of England, otherwise you wouldn't be spouting such garbage. England has some small minded hamlets, doesn't mean that they're the norm. And regarding bigotry, everyone outside of London is inbred and low browed? Really? Do you understand the concept of a double standard?

"There was probably a bit of artistic licence taken with the rape, as I can't honestly say I've noticed that the English are disproportionately prone to that sort of thing where outsiders are concerned" Are you just saying this crap for fun now? How can you type this withoput peeing yourself with laughter?

Regarding the rape, your use of the words "prone to that sort of thing where outsiders are concerned" suggests you weren't even paying attention to the film. The rapes were carried out by two villagers against someone from their own village. So how is she an outsider?

Please keep posting this nonsense, as the inernet needs people who are completely unaware of just how stupid they actually sound. Bravo!


Why are the right wing always so angry? And why do I find their foolish hatred so very, very funny?

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"Please keep posting this nonsense, as the inernet needs people who are completely unaware of just how stupid they actually sound. Bravo!"

And it needs lots of gormless unperceptive dweebs who fancy themselves as left wing of course.

But yeah, point semi-taken, the rape could be understood superficially as a rather insular affair - but her husband IS an outsider ain't he (star of the film, Dustin Hoffman), and that's the point.

But anyway, England. Horrible place. Full of hell-holes like Portsmouth, Notts, and Bristol. Don't talk to me about England till you've been there and smelled it - "small minded [hyphen?] hamlets" my arse.

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I went to England once and didn't really care for it. The inhabitants seemed strange. Also they occupy part of Ireland.

I would like to go to Wales though.

It was a great movie and the hamlet with all the sick people was an important character in the film.

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Yep, Wales is where it's at. The 'occupy part of Ireland' bit is complicated though, since that's what the majority of the occupied part (i.e. the Protestants) generally want.

And they were good in the war of course, the English. And the best comedians and writers and actors are English.

You haven't thought it through.

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Firstly, "dweebs"?? I appreciate you taking the time to travel back to the 1980's to find that oh-so-scathing insult, but please, chill dude as you're harshing my mellow. Schwing, Not!!! No wonder you view England as a backwards looking country, you still seem to be living in the last century.

And I don't "fancy myself as left wing". Perhaps you should be careful when throwing about the word unperceptive when you seem to be living in quite the glass house.

As a side point, if you're going to be the sort of bellend that points out what you believe to be errors in grammar, please have the decency to avoid words like "ain't". God forbid you should commit any more double standards than you already have.

"Don't talk to me about England till you've been there and smelled it" OK. England: been there, born there, grew up there, still live there. Visited many parts of it, spent many holidays around it. Does that mean I can have an opinion now? I don't know where you're from, but whatever country it is, is only a "ory" without you.

And finally, please no more mentions of your arse, when it's clear that you're talking through it.



Why are the right wing always so angry? And why do I find their foolish hatred so very, very funny?

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They don't call them limeys for nothing.

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Well done, you have a basic knowledge of nautical history and the treatment of scurvy. How is any of that relevant to the discussion in hand?



Why are the right wing always so angry? And why do I find their foolish hatred so very, very funny?

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You've ruthlessly and systematically swept my last post aside, Dropped Elbow. I'll try to do the same to yours but it won't be as good I shouldn't think:

Dweebs. Old-fashioned is it? What are you kids saying now then? I've got the power here to go back and edit 'dweebs' into something cooler. You know what? I think I'll stick with dweebs. It's a nice word. You are a dweeb.

You aren't left wing then, that's what you're saying. I thought from your crap signature thing that you were. I haven't interpreted your irony correctly. But this isn't deep pop-song lyrics or something, that I have to figure out what you think you mean. You were being unperceptive with your po-faced, rude and gormless response to my playful and daft opening post.

Thanks though for pointing out that "ain't" isn't the Queen's English - I made rather a fool of myself using it, I now realise.

And oh, ok, you're English. You're doing em proud, that's for sure.

But I really must ask you to retract that last bit, where you say I'm talking through my arse. You have to remember that it's your country invented the English language, you can't expect us others to always get it right. I'm absolutely furious that you've run such clever rings round me then finished it with that peachy 'you are talking through your arse' line. It's nice guys like me always finish last against cruel buggers like you on this internet malarkey, that's for sure.

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"You've ruthlessly and systematically swept my last post aside, Dropped Elbow"

How could I have swept it aside? I responded to it. Those two things would seem to be mutually exclusive. All things considered, I think I gave your xenophobic nonsense far more credit than it actually deserved.

"You aren't left wing then" Why this obsession with my political beliefs? Do you feel the need to nit-pick everyone's signatures on IMDB, or should I consider myself honoured? As far as your opening post being "playful" and "daft", you'll be aware (I'm sure) that sarcasm, playfulness and other such tones don't really come across all that well in text form. It's hard to tell apart those people that are ignorant, hateful bigots from those that are trying to be amusing.

It's interesting that your insults can be passed off as jolly japes, yet you're still more than happy to fling your jibes at others. I'll accept I may be rude, but lets be honest, there's more than enough displays of gorm-lacking on this thread, I'd feel guilty hogging it all.

Your last gushing of sarcasm has made me realise how pathetic people sound when having internet arguments. You're right to point out through your clever use of irony that this sort of thing always falls into a contest of who can sound like the biggest douche. I'm happy to leave this as a draw. But please, don't call yourself a nice guy. It may be offensive to those people that use the internet for things other than insulting people from different countries.



Why are the right wing always so angry? And why do I find their foolish hatred so very, very funny?

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Crap response. Go away.

Anyone else agree that this film give us a glimpse of the real England?

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I think most of what you've said there rafj is fair enough. Except for the last bit of course, but fruck it. Dropped Elbow was a loser and I'm glad he's dead.

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Thank you for the kind words rafj. And lets be honest, when it comes to a battle of wits, Abe was entering a gun-fight with a peashooter.



Why are the right wing always so angry? And why do I find their foolish hatred so very, very funny?

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I done brung a pea-shooter to a battle o' wits, and was felled by a rare young English gentleman, name of elbow drop. In the text of his posts he repeatedly intimated his cleverness, by which I infer he was very clever.

In a million years or so, martians'll dig up and decipher a transcript of this whole back-'n'-forth we've had, and my name'll be mud.

Here's a clue, elbow. You're a gormless dumb-ass.

I note you're averaging 8 imdb posts a day, so expect your crap reply to arrive forthwith. I'll probably read it in a month or so.

Parp!

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I'm from Wales, and whilst I don't know anyone who would go to the lengths of Straw Dogs' villains, I find the locals our way very offish with outsiders and quite private. They like to keep like with like and can be seen as quite grumpy by visitors in parts - would not recommend a visit to this end...

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Wales is excellent, what are you talking about. It's England that's the problem.

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The film has crap all to do with vietnam. it's what Peckninpah says it is, a film exploring violence. Political violence is only one form and largely a completely irrelevant one in the film. (David doesn't care about pro or anti-ware protests, he doesn't care about politics or vietnam or the atomic bomb or religions role in wars)

The violence the film mainly is about is sexual, specifically in regards to women.

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The film taking place outside of America actually refutes the theory that Vietnam is relevant at all to understand the film or violence. (violence in war is the most asocial, meaningless violence of all if you think about it) Pekinpah moved the story away from America no doubt mainly because he wanted a more primal topical film, not one mired in the politics of the day.

Xenophobia is important but the film takes place where the culture is similar to America's, xenophobia is not all encompassing in the film, most importantly race is not an issue. Instead things like class and education/culture are much more important in the film.

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christ, i live in a small town in the middle of nowhere in england...even i get funny looks when i go in a village pub!

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What a load of crap having worked ALL OVER England for the last 22 years (rural , deepest darkest manchester were drug dealers sit on every corner and in the middle of nowhere werewolf in london style villages) NEVER have i noticed anybody looking at me like im an alien or some sort of intruder into their quiet little heaven , making matters worse im a scouser born and bred with a rough accent and ive still never come across abybody being overtly rude ,take the piss a little yeah but not nastily , i think some of you should leave your house more often and socialize a little more.

My take was that it showed that violence existed everywhere not just on the streets of America or in war but everywhere in different forms at different times , the fact that he chose the English countryside was a good choice to highlight that point , apart from some very low key films Englishmen/women are generally shown with the stiff upper lip with manners and a half smoked fag hanging from the lip at a jaunty angle, it was a good move as it removed the stereotypical image of England and turned it on its head which in itself was enough.

Its Eyre as in head.

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maybe your just one of them and they can tell :p

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Abe, do you by any chance come from/live in London?

I'm just curious.

As for the English being racist, I honestly think we're cowards compared to the Americans.

But I agree to some extent, the places in the country side, which do occupy a large part of England, do have that particular mentality, but I think the scene that sums it up best in any film is when the two Americans enter the slaughtered lamb in An American Werewolf in London, and the whole pub goes silent, and just stares at them. That one scene alone, sums up the narrow mindedness of English yokels who stay in a clique and don't welcome outsiders better than most I've ever seen. It's realistic beyond belief, and again, the film was made by an American.


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American Werewolf in London Pub silence scene is just cliched movie b0LL0ck5 ffs.


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You can say bollocks if you want, it won't get censored.


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You guys have got it all wrong. I'm from the English shires, and it's SIMPLY NOT TRUE that we are all a load of xenophobic, inbred, racist, bigoted retards. OK most of us are, but not all.

And I just checked with my mum and sister, and she agrees with me too.

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"Real England"? LOL!

Although I can't speak for the North, I totally diagree with you about rural southern England. I am a well educated man from London, but having family across the south (yes Cornwall and the West Country included) have travelled to many very isolated parts of the countryside, and always been struck how civil and generaly helpful the locals tend to be, even with my "posh" accent.

Of course there are certain places I would imagine where minorities can appear threatening, but I'm sure the same could be said for any city or region across the world. Working men together can seem daunting, but in reality this only tends to be fun banter and a certain feeling of solidarity , admittedly exacerbated when drunk.

I also disagree about about the actual film's portayal of the West Country. For a start the scenery is fantastic, and I personally believe when it comes to scenery England is second to none.

Then there's the locals in the film. The five men who attack the house are admittedly horrfic individuals and I won't justify their actions as other on these boards have incrdibly tried to do. But other than these five, a tiny minority, we have characters such as in particular the Major, who does all he can to protect the couple, and also the barmen who are good moral people. The rest of the population meanwhile may seem a little hostile, but only because they are unused to outsiders, a lot like the men in the bar in An American Werewolf in London: good people but a little intimidating if you are not part of the group.

To any Americans, and I can only speak for seeing Deliverance and many dozens of other such films, the Deep South sounds infinitely more terrifying, unlike the charming English countryside.

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