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The Obvious Logical Question About The Great War:


WHY?
Wasn't Europe happy at what used to be called LA BELLE EPOQUE? Honestly, it seems as if even NII agreed with the Bolsheviks that bourgeois society should be utterly destroyed!😭

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I think it was a combination of nationalism and colonialism, where some European powers were carving up the world and others were left behind. Plus, the alliance system obligated its members to declare war when one of their allies was attacked.

It does seem kind of odd, since Russia had a brief alliance with both Austria-Hungary and Germany, which was supposed to be against the Ottoman Empire, as their hold on the Balkans was weakening by the 19th century. Russia had been involved in numerous wars with Turkey over the previous centuries, and the various nationalities in the Balkans were also resisting Turkish rule and finally gaining independence.

I don't believe Nicholas II acted any differently than any other Tsar would have under the circumstances. Although he probably should have paid more attention to building up his industries and armaments, which is what Germany and other countries were doing at the time. There had been an arms race going on. They also needed more railroads and an overall better system of transportation. (That's why there were so many peasants starving; not because they didn't grow enough food, but it's because their transport was so bad that a lot of it would rot before it ever got to the cities. The Soviets had similar problems.)

However, it was perfectly natural that the Russians and Serbs would have a close bond, as they had for centuries. And I think it's also true that Nicholas did not have any intention of attacking Germany. It seemed his only goal at first was to attempt to force Austria to refrain from attacking Serbia.

It might have been a more manageable conflict if Germany had not gotten involved. If it was just Russia and Serbia against Austria, then it might have been settled sooner. Perhaps other powers could have acted as mediators. But Germany was just looking for an opportunity.

Germany was looking to expand the size of their empire. They tried to make a grab for French Morocco in 1905, but the British intervened and Germany backed down. Then the Kaiser said he wanted to increase the size of Germany's navy, which also got the British to sit up and take notice. German nationalism was flourishing, and they were strong, modern, and felt they were superior to other powers, such as the French, who they defeated in 1871 after only six weeks.

The Kaiser was probably one of the real villains here, while Nicholas II was in over his head. One thing that wasn't shown in the movie but mentioned in Massie's book is that one of the leading instigators who got Nicholas to get fired up to go to war with Japan was the Kaiser, who was apparently goading Nicholas by telegraph. Even as a young boy, the future Kaiser reportedly bit a member of the British Royal Family in the ankle at some large funeral gathering. I can't remember who it was, but the person he bit had hemophilia.

The irony is that the Kaiser ended up being toppled as well, although he didn't suffer the same fate as the Romanovs. He was able to make it into exile in Holland and escaped all the post-war, post-revolutionary wrath. He even lived long enough to see the Germans occupy Holland in 1940.

The Three Emperors of Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Russia should have kept their alliance and continued to work together. If they had, then they might have saved their dynasties. Unfortunately, their incompetence coupled with a misguided lust for personal glory brought about their downfall.

The fall of both the Kaiser and Tsar was their own fault, and they left a power vacuum in their countries which would eventually be filled by the likes of Hitler and Stalin.

Of course, I don't think they intended for bourgeois society to be destroyed, nor did they relish seeing the rise of the Nazis or Bolsheviks. I don't think they really thought that far ahead, which was part of the main problem already.



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Good reply; thank you.
'tis really a pity that the Europe of 1914 was a powder keg set to be ignited. A contemporary USA publication said that the casus belli for the war was the desire of France to get back Alsace-Lorraine, and the desire of Serbia to get Bosnia. Well, France still has A-L, but Serbia ...
Up until 1993 encyclopedias implied that the Great War was worth fighting because it led to the Union of the Northern Slavs: Czechoslovakia; and the Union of the Southern Slavs: Yugoslavia. Now that those states no longer exist, the only positive results of WWI are the independence of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia. Such meager results for such a cataclysmic conflict!

God is subtle, but He is not malicious. (Albert Einstein)

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A contemporary USA publication said that the casus belli for the war was the desire of France to get back Alsace-Lorraine, and the desire of Serbia to get Bosnia. Well, France still has A-L, but Serbia ...


France lost Alsace-Lorraine back in 1871, in which the French were badly humiliated by the Germans. Of course, they wanted it back, but by the same token, Germany wanted to take even more of France's empire.

Bosnia and the rest of the Balkans were a mess due to Turkish occupation and hegemony over the region. And just after Serbia, Greece, Bulgaria, etc. were finally throwing off the Turkish yoke and gaining independence for the first time in centuries, the Austrians started waltzing in and tried to replace the Ottoman Turks as rulers of the region. Obviously, the Serbs would have none of that, so they resisted in the only way they could.

Up until 1993 encyclopedias implied that the Great War was worth fighting because it led to the Union of the Northern Slavs: Czechoslovakia; and the Union of the Southern Slavs: Yugoslavia. Now that those states no longer exist, the only positive results of WWI are the independence of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia.


Ironically, if Russia had stayed in the war until the very end, they would have had an equal Allied seat at Versailles and likely would have been able to retain Poland and the Baltic Republics. They could have also pressed further claims in the Balkans and Turkey, and it's possible they could have even gotten Constantinople back under Orthodox rule. But by quitting the war early, Russia lost her chance at gaining some of the spoils at Versailles.

Well, at least all of those above-mentioned states are still independent, although they had to endure WW2 and 40 years of communist rule before they were finally free again.

I would still say that the Great War was worth fighting in the sense that it kept Germany checked, preventing them from gaining hegemony over Europe. If the Germans had won, they would have kept France under their thumb and would have been able to gain large chunks of the Russian Empire (including Poland and the Baltics). Germany likely would have demanded more of the French and possibly British colonial empires as well. As they were also allied with Turkey, then that country also would have gotten an inroad to regaining hegemony they had lost in the Balkans.

So, as to the question of "why," the Allied position was, overall, understandable. Russia's position was as it always had been - to restore Orthodoxy in the Balkans and to resist Turkish incursions into Slavic and/or Orthodox territory; this had been the cornerstone of Russian foreign policy for centuries. That they would side with the Serbs as natural allies should not have been any great surprise to Austria or Germany.



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