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a little heavy on coincidences


He just happens to be right on the scene when Indians attack and kill a trapping couple. He watches it happen.

An Indian woman stops twenty yards away from him to have a baby. Again, he watches.

He finds a tame, white rabbit. Not really a coincidence, I guess, just real strange.

Finally, he runs into the boat and crew. Even that seemed just chance. There was not a single hint that he was even looking for them. Unless you count the Comcast blurb saying he was. The crew thought maybe he was, but that could be attributed entirely to guilt.

And further, he and the chief seemed to have a propensity for being in the same place at the same time.

Pretty strange film. I liked the ending, though.

By the way, he lost a lot of blood. I wonder how the bleeding stopped.

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It was made clear in the movie he was tracking the boat and crew, albeit by a circuitous route. That was probably so he himself couldn't be tracked.

The other coincidences you mention were all about his transformation. Without them, this 'man in the wilderness' doesn't grow up spiritually and realize what's important, he would have just remained a man in the wilderness.

Interesting and under-rated film.



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I understand your moral ambivalence about whether Zachary Bass should have cried out and warned the hapless mountain man trapper, his Indian wife, and her relatives before a wandering Indian raiding party massacred them. But before they died, these people killed at least three of the attacking Indian raiders.

If I put myself in his position, crippled and only able to crawl, weaponless and defenseless, I know that with the Indian raiders almost on top of the trapper and his family and within spitting distance of me, nothing would have changed. Crying out a warning wouldn't have helped the mountain man and his family and in-laws. The raiding Indians were already just about on top of them. At best they'd have only another couple seconds warning which wouldn't have made much of a difference. Moreover, Zachary Bass knew that he would also be instantly killed by the Indian raiders and the innocent people below would still die.

That might still beg the question, should Bass still have cried out a warning anyway? I would say that given the NO-WIN choices facing him, the question has no moral grounds. I know that Bass was not ethically obliged to commit suicide to help them. Just like the soldier who falls upon a live enemy grenade to save his nearby fellow soldiers, he usually receives some kind of posthumous recognition, decoration, and award, but he is not morally nor ethically obliged to fall upon that grenade. He might still try to dodge and dive for cover, even if it might be futile when the grenade explodes, possibly killing or injuring him and his fellow soldiers.

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In a wilderness setting, it is not unlikely for people to have chance encounters with each other. People all have the same basic needs, like water, food and shelter. Since, in a wilderness setting the materiel required to satisfy these needs can be found in a limited number of places at any given time, People will run into each other on the way to and from sites like water sources, salt licks, berry bush locations, nut tree groves, fishing holes, etc. It is for this reason that the Apaches never camped near a water source. Instead they would water up, take all they could carry in skin bags, and camp 4-8 miles away from the water, avoiding possible enemy encounters. The encounters that Bass has with people in the wilderness don't strain my credulity a bit.

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Since, in a wilderness setting the materiel required to satisfy these needs can be found in a limited number of places at any given time, People will run into each other on the way to and from sites like water sources, salt licks, berry bush locations, nut tree groves, fishing holes, etc.
Excellent point, ahope!

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That is a good point; likely there were routes and resources people would naturally seek out and chance encounters would happen without being all that surprising.

It would also not be unreasonable that some of these encounters would be dramatic - like the ambush or the birth - and our hero would be there at the right moment to observe. I didn't find it unrealistic or too coincidental because there could easily have been instead other incidents that he could have witnessed and learned something from: perhaps seeing the buffalo's life-and-death struggle with the wolves, the hawk's capture of prey, the aftermath of the ambush or birth.

His making a splint for the rabbit wasn't a coincidence (as already pointed out) and his finding the ship wasn't a coincidence either (how many routes could there have been to pull a wheeled ship that our experienced woodsman couldn't track its ruts?) Arriving at the time of the Indian attack, now that's a lot of Hollywoodish coincidence!





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I didn't mention the boat because it is just too silly, but what the heck, here goes. You are right that there are limited places to pull a wheeled ship in the wilderness. None of them are in a river bed or on the upside of a mountain.

Huston played a real idiot in this movie. His men would have spent all their time trying to dig that boat out of whatever rut, sinkhole, sandy bottom, etc. that it got stuck in.

Further, that boat is so top heavy that there is little chance that it could travel even a mile over level land without falling over. Eventually, they would have just walked away from Huston.

It looks like they use about 20 mules. That works real well when they are on frozen flat land, but it isn't near enough for mountains and river bottoms. Twenty oxen would be a better choice, but I still wouldn't want to depend on them pulling such a monstrosity.

He didn't track the boat. He trailed it (use whatever Webster's definition that implies "lags behind") He knew where it was going, especially since there are limited paths it can take, as you correctly pointed out. He was simply behind it, but as he demonstrates in the movie, even a severely injured and malnourished man can catch up with that piece of trash.

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In the area of the country he is in, Bass would have had a hard time finding a dry place to sleep and there are animals everywhere. He had zero trouble with finding water or game. Your point about salt licks is correct, but only the animals and the Indians would know where they are. Bass would be lucky to recognize a salt lick even if he was walking past it. When you see an animal kissing a rock over and over, you have found a rock with some kind of "salt" in it. But it still looks like a rock. If you have ever seen a salt lick, you would know that it looks just like all the other rocks, but for some reason, it has split and the inside has been exposed. Until the rains over the years wash away the salt, the animals will use it. By the way, if you are ever stuck in the mountains, walk down the mountain to find water. Sure, there are mountain springs, but not as many as you might think. Water, like Sxxx, always rolls downhill. And finally, if I was an Apache and I was at the only water hole for miles, I wouldn't camp there either, but when you are talking about freely available water in almost every scene, no animal is going to screw with you because you camped on the bank of a large river.

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a little heavy on coincidences


I just saw the movie and that's what I was thinking, particularly the Native birth sequence. Of all the places in the vast wilderness she ends up having her baby, it's 10 yards from Bass. Why sure!

That said, it was an interesting scene and it was necessary for Bass' story arc.


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Happened to Forrest Gump

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Happened to Forrest Gump

"Forrest Gump" is a drama/romance with a comedic flare that intentionally inserts a fictional character into significant historical events with the corresponding antics. "Man in the Wilderness," by contrast, is a wholly serious Western/Adventure loosely based on real-life events. Whereas heavy coincidence works in favor of the former, it takes away from the latter.


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Some of that does sound a bit too coincidental. But, perhaps some of those events could happen by chance.

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