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Could a female ask a few daft questions?


You guys seem to be very knowledgeable. I rewatched the movie for the first time yesterday since 1971 and loved it. In fact, I am going to watch the DVD again.

Are these cars what you call Formula 1? I thought the British narrator said there could be all sizes of cars in the race. Were there?

What was that smaller car doing on the racetrack? I've forgotten the details, but another car had to swerve to avoid it.

Did anyone else think that the guys who had to wave the yellow flags in the middle of the racetrack (when there was an accident and they wanted the car to slow down) had the worse job? It must have been very dangerous to do that.

Is Le Mans still running and is it similar to how it was run in 1971?

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These aren't F1 cars. They are nominally sports car prototypes, although really they're closed-wheel pure race cars built to barely qualify with the production car rules. The smaller or more conventional-looking cars are generally actual production sports cars or touring saloons, although heavily modified. I think the car that gets swerved around is a Porsche 914?

The track has been changed a bit to slow speeds in certain sections, but the race is run pretty much the same. The cars are vastly more sophisticated than the 917's and 512's in the movie. And yet, Google "Mercedes" "CLR" and "Le Mans" to see what happened when the aerodynamics weren't fully tested for one of these sophisticated cars. Who says we have to wait for The Jetsons to get flying cars?

And yes, being a track marshal was and is dangerous. A few years after this Le Mans Tom Pryce's F1 car hit a marshal at full speed in a race. Do NOT search for video of that, it's pretty gruesome.

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Thanks for your reply. I watched the movie again yesterday and enjoyed it again. I have one more question: Was there, is there, a prize for winning Le Mans?

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I was waiting to let one of the aficionados better versed in European motorsports give you an exact answer. Yes, there were and are prizes for winning the various classes at Le Mans. Like most top-end racing, the prizes are peanuts compared to advertising value of winning the race. The cost of building the cars and operating the team dwarfs the value of the cash prizes. In fact, the drivers are usually being paid more to drive than they or the car owner stands to get in prize money if they win the race.

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^Thanks so much.

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Just to clarify things for you Stirchley

There was during this era, about 5 or 6 different 'classes' (aka 'Groups') of cars racing in the World Sports Car Championship. (see link below) Each class had different rules & regulations; some classes were cars with tiny motors & literally road registered. Throughout the other classes, the cars used larger capacity engines & at least two classes were 'full race' - in that these cars were built specifically for the ten race series (which included the Le Mans 24 Hours) and the engines were limited to 3 litres (Prototypes class) & 5 litres (Sports class). These cars are not road registerable. The least powerful cars could have as little as 70 or 80 horsepower, then increases till the most powerful Sports cars which had between 550 to 600 horsepower. One specially geared Porsche 917 reached 249 mph along Mulsanne Straight once only in a private test. However, for the race they would regularly sit at 240 mph (400kmh) along Mulsanne. The Ferrari 512's were about 15 to 20 mph slower. You would also have noticed the very wide rear tyres on some, allowing these cars to go around corners much faster than some others - hence, when Delaney came around the corner & was momentarily distracted by the crashing red Ferrari becoming a fireball & took his eyes off the road ahead to glimpse his rear view mirror, when his eyes returned to the circuit, he was closing in rapidly on the much slower Porsche 911 (class Grand Touring 2.5 litres) - a common road car throughout the world - & the sudden swerve to miss it caused Delaney to lose control.

The Le Mans 24 Hour will probably never stop running. Up until the late '60's, the drivers would run across the circuit, jump into their cars, start them & begin racing. At about this time, because of numerous horrendous accidents, injuries & fatalities, all forms of racing cars had to be fitted with seat belts, which made the running across the circuits, strapping on the belts then firing up the engines to start the race a huge farce. Hence, you see in the film, all drivers sitting, belted, in their cars waiting to fire up the engines for the 4:00pm for race start.

Some years later, the stationary start became too dangerous & rolling starts were implemented.

1969 saw a curious start where French Belgian racing star Jacky Ickx thought the run across the circuit utterly stupid & very unsafe, so walked across, strapped himself in & started the race last. On the first lap, John Woolfe crashed heavily & died - in too much of a rush to start he had not belted himself completely. Jacky Ickx went on to win in one of the closest & most entertaining finishes of the 24 Hour classic.

The circuit has changed many of its iconic sections. Mulsanne Straight was 3.2 miles (5 kms) long with two flat out 'kinks' seen clearly in the film. About 20 to 25 years back, two chicanes were inserted.

The first corner was repositioned & had a chicane included.

'The Esses' has been totally redesigned & had more corners fitted.

'Mulsanne Corner' at the end of the straight has been redesigned.

A lengthy section of circuit near the end of the lap has been completely restructured, obliterating the fabulous area known as 'Maison Blanche'.

There are now two chicanes at the end of the lap, where there is only one in the film.

It would probably be more accurate to say that the only corners that have not been modified since McQueen's film are Indianapolis & Arnage.

Concerning the flag marshalls - I think this may have been some Hollywood folly. Bear in mind, flag marshalls were highly trained & would travel to all or any races that they could to do marshalling. The French (virtually) invented motor racing & safety was & still is an enormous concern world wide. I suspect that there may have been two teams; flag marshalls for warning & another for medical, if needed. The flag marshalls would have been instructed by the Clerk of the Course, prior to the race to stay behind the armco barrier at all time & only when the race drivers are obeying the waving yellow flag - (danger, accident: slow down & NO overtaking) - would the medical teams been allowed to venture, if deemed necessary, to the accident scene. But yes, hugely dangerous. A job possibly more dangerous was/is the photographers.

I would not know about the prizemoney - humans are very cagey about giving away such privacies & may exaggerate earnings. Impressive trophies would have been given to many of the top place getters in all classes, outright placings, fastest laps.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_World_Sportscar_Championship_season
http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1970/70lemans.html

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1969 saw a curious start where French Belgian racing star Jacky Ickx thought the run across the circuit utterly stupid & very unsafe, so walked across, strapped himself in & started the race last. On the first lap, John Woolfe crashed heavily & died - in too much of a rush to start he had not belted himself completely. Jacky Ickx went on to win in one of the closest & most entertaining finishes of the 24 Hour classic.


Wow, that must have been some race! I remember Jacky Ickx very well.

Thank you so much for your thoughtful answer.

BTW, have you seen the documentary about Ayrton Senna? It's brilliant.
http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Senna/70170051?trkid=2361637

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alas, 'netflix' is not in my country yet.

but i have seen the movie - extremely powerful & although i've followed Senna all his Formula One career & knew much of what was being told, i had missed one point completely till watching the movie - that being, that he felt hugely vengeful towards the French & their administrative 'biases'.

how come you remember Jacky Ickx? i ask because i have a few FB friends who know, have met & idolise him & they dedicate large amounts of FB time & effort to him.

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I'm guessing you are British and, in fact, I am British too though I have lived in America for a long time.

Growing up in England and listening to the races on the telly and whatnot, it would be hard not to know who Jacky Ickx is. I remember Sterling Moss and Jack Brabham and all those other guys.

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My home country is the same one that Jack grew up & lives. My country is severely starved of decent motor racing - it did not start televising Formula One till September 30, 1979 - even though Brabham did something that no-one will ever be able to repeat decades previous.

I have a stack of fun Brits who I chat with about racing most every day.

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1999 - that race set new records for somersaults in one weekend. Everyone lived that year thankfully.

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