Very lazy filmmaking


If you are going to make an avant-garde film, at least put in some effort, or come up with a cohesive filmic "argument" which your film attempts to assess or answer. This was just plain lazy. This film summarizes why people hate hippies. What was the point of this thing? If this was a submission from a film student, I would probably give it a "C-" or so. Some minor points for at least developing a soundtrack, but little else. The dialogue, especially, was aimless and bereft of content. I felt stupider for having heard it.

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Zappa wasn't a hippie, and this movie didn't embrace hippie ideals. Be sure you're making fun of the right group of people.

"The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced."-FZ

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Listen to the "We're Only In It For The Money" album. There's not much love for the hippies on that one.

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Way to cite precedent. There's your proof he wasn't a hippie.

"The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced."-FZ

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According to Zappa's autobiography, this film had a budget of $700,000 (and half of that went to the Royal Philharmonic) and a shooting schedule of 5 8-hour days. It's amazing he got anything done with these limits.




"It's got a wonderful defense mechanism: you don't dare kill it."

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the cheapness (cheepnis?) of the sets were a statement in and of themselves. He doesn't try to hide behind top notch effects and hyper-real sets. He wants to expose the strings so to speak. To vaguely paraphrase Melville, He, Zappa wants to punch through the pasteboard mask to strike at the face of god. You can decide for yourself who or what the metaphorical mask is and who or what the god is. I believe Zappa is attacking commercialism and the spectacle of music, live and studio recorded, tv (the film was video taped) and film. Conversely, Zappa is also attacking himself. He has become part of the spectacle just by creating this work. Remember, when Zappa ridicules others, he often ridicules himself. As he states on this first album, "You're probably wondering why I'm here and so am I." You might have felt this when you saw it, but Zappa might have felt this when he made it.

I give you a D- for your inability to think critically about this film. I don't expect you to appreciate it, because it is a difficult work, but why go out of your way to blame your feeling of stupidity on Zappa's film. To quote another Zappa song, "You are what you is."

Dictated, but not read.

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tony palmer would agree with you...

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"Argument"? While Zappa certainly had things to say about society and such, he's not going to do it in the form of an argument in one of his artworks. And as someone else mentioned, it's not about hippies or a pro-hippie film. It is a sloppy film in some ways, but that's due to the budget/time constraints. We're lucky it was completed at all, and didn't end up like Uncle Meat. As a huge Zappa fan, I'm obviously biased, as just the music is enough for me to award a decent score, but I think it's an interesting film in any event. I gave it an 8/10 as a final rating.


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They filmed the damned thing in a week. On VHS. The cuts in the beginning sequence are top notch considering this movie was edited long before fast computers were around to make the process easier.

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There's nothing wrong with the filming or the editing and it's quite possible to make an interesting film on a tiny budget. The problem here was with the script and the performances. There's a difference between 'rough around the edges' and 'amateurish and juvenile'.

If Zappa had put as much work into planning the dramatic aspects as into the music (which is stunningly good) he could have produced something really brilliant, instead of a mess with a couple of redeeming features. It's a mystery to me how someone so intelligent and talented can have (1) created (2) released such a substandard effort.

I wasn't expecting much but I was expecting a lot more than this. Next on my 'not seen yet and probably with good reason' list, "Magical Mystery Tour". Watch this space...

I used to want to change the world. Now I just want to leave the room with a little dignity.

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I agree.

Major motion pictures have substantial budgets and a longer shooting schedule than 200 Motels but another thing they do is actually plan thoroughly ahead of time. This movie looks improvised which can be effective but usually only when it's professionals that are involved. I'd be curious to see something Frank Zappa could do with the format beyond wacky language and "everybody is an idiot and society sucks" cliches.

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Actually, if you watch the VPRO documentary about the making of 200 Motels, toward the end, either Flo or Eddie says that Frank says this movie will get the worst reviews of all time because the world is not ready for it, but that it didn't matter because the kids will all go to see it anyway because it's weird and about rock n' roll. This is during rehearsals when he said this.

He goes on to say that people will leave the film wondering what the hell it was about and what it was trying to say and that's the point of it: that Frank isn't saying anything. Like most of what Frank did, It's entertainment for entertainment's sake and he knows it will appeal to some and not to others and the others he really doesn't care about.

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