Not what I expected


I was wondering if anyone could clarify something. I got this dvd through Netflix, and was so excited about seeing it; after hearing so many raves about it. I was possibly just in a weird/judgemental mood, but it seemed so different than what I expected. It was all on a stage, we didn't see any of the scenery, and the acting was all stage like. What bothered me the most was the lack of music, making it seem all the more like a stage performance. No one mentions any of this on any message boards; did I just not stick with it and miss the beauty of it?

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Wow dude. WOw.

You're looking for the 1991 version with Daniel Day Lewis. Search for it.

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Actually, this version had marvelous music, so I'm not certain what you mean by no music, unless you mean it didn't have the non-period music that features in the wretched Hollywood version with Day-Lewis. I love DDL, but the Hollywood version twisted the story so much it bore little or no resemblance to Cooper's novel, so it should have had a different title. As to the filming, yes, the production was low budget, but it was the early 70s, after all. The outdoor scenes were filmed in the gorgeous Scottish highlands, which are not so different from the Eastern US. The indoor scenes were indeed filmed on sound stages. I would agree that anyone born after 1980 or so would probably find this BBC version disappointing, but for those of us old enough to remember seeing this version on Masterpiece Theatre, it is a joy to behold again. In the early 70s, not everyone had color TVs, so expectations were quite different. People who watched BBC productions were accustomed to, even welcomed, a more "stagey" feel. Today's audiences have been brainwashed by all the special effects that we never thought about when I was a kid in the 60s and 70s. Special effects didn't really come into wide use until the late 70s, and they took a long time to get used to.

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Thanks! I must have not been in the mood and not stuck with it. I'll try again sometime, and keep in mind all that you mentioned. I actually tried it after seeing the Daniel Day Lewis version; I agree - it was awful. The way the story was twisted around made me sick. Killing off the wrong people? Having the wrong people fall in love? So sad. It definitely should have had a different title. I had just finished reading the book, so I was expecting something a little more grand in scale; I'm sure I was just imagining a new production, and therefore was surprised. I'll have to try again. Thanks!

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No problem. Of course, having Brits play the Native Americans seems incredibly wrong to modern eyes, though we still see that happen sometimes. I just remember as a kid devouring Cooper, I loved the way the BBC version developed the relationships among Uncas, Chingachgook and Hawkeye, as well as the loves with the Munro sisters. You are so right about the film version. I can't bear to see too many liberties taken with good books. Also, watching the episodes, with cliffhangers at the end of each week, just made the BBC version even more special. Masterpiece Theatre in those days was also introduced by the deliciously urbane Alistair Cooke. There was something incredibly comforting about spending
every Sunday with that august gentleman. I really hope you find more enjoyment with the older production with your next viewing.

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greenegg:
"I would agree that anyone born after 1980 or so would probably find this BBC version disappointing, but for those of us old enough to remember seeing this version on Masterpiece Theatre, it is a joy to behold again."

Well, I was born in 1956, and I remember all from my early teens how BBC versions of classics such as Sherlock Holmes, Ivanhoe, The Three Musketeers and War and Peace seemed extremely stagey and unreal. All the indoor action was clearly filmed on a stage and the outdoor action was kept to a minimum. And the fight sequenses were lame, to say the least. It all prevented the suspension of disbelief for me.

I must say, my view has not changed over the years.

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I agree with greenegg - plus it did have loads of scenery, just the Scottish Highlands rather than the Adirondacks or wherever it was supposed to be :). Things have indeed changed in terms of British TV productions in the last four decades (gulp!): back then, even "big budget" productions weren't nearly on the same scale, comparatively speaking, as they are now, when multinational collaborations are far more common and you can also probably bank on DVD rights and so on bringing in more money. In fact, I wonder what the BBC would do now if they were making a new production of it: after all, there still aren't loads of Native American actors in the UK, but probably they'd just do it as a US or Canadian co-production, film it over there and use local actors.

It's funny, though, that everyone says this production is so true to the novel. I always thought it was until I rewatched and read the novel more or less alongside it, but it does take the odd liberty of its own, although they're generally at least in keeping with the novel rather than directly contradicting it like the film does. Yet there's a whole scene where Hawkeye and the Mohicans get captured by the Hurons - I think it was - after they delivered the sisters to the fort which seems to be totally made up, as is Lt. Grant, I think. Plus they have a few exposition-y bits which aren't in the novel: Uncas makes it clear that he knows he can never take a squaw because there are no Mohican women left for him to marry (so obviously any relationship with a white woman would be totally beyond the pale, so to speak), and earlier Hawkeye explains that the practice of scalping is done to release the spirit of the dead person into the afterlife, which rather changes people's view from the the usual "bloodthirsty savages" idea. Then there's the killing of Magua, which in the novel is done by Hawkeye, not Chingachgook, and quite a few other bits which seem to have been done for no particularly good reason.

BTW, does anyone know of a similar site to this where I could discuss the novel? Re-reading it has made me wonder a lot of things about the author as well as the book, and it would be interesting to discuss it further.

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If you want a low budget version with no music and other frills, try the early 30's Mascot version with Harry Carey playing an older, wiser version of Hawkeye.
This was a 12-chapter serial, and Mascot was (in)famous for its cheap production values as well as using stars on their way up(John Wayne, Gene Autry) or on their way down(Tom Mix, Ken Maynard).

One saving grace is Bob Kortman's Magua. Kortman was a longtime character actor who specialized in western villains who'd been around since Bronco Billy Anderson films. I was surprised to learn he was in Preston Sturges' classic dark comedy Sullivan's Travels and had a hard time finding him.

The first scene in LOTM, which a friend told me years ago was usually cut out, shows Colonel Monroe ordering Mague to be flogged. I seem to remember Yakina Canutt also plays one of Magua's fellow braves.

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British television of the 50's, 60's and 70's grew out of the theatre tradition, shot using multi-camera videotape in continuous takes (with limited filmed location inserts) that favoured performance and dialogue over the visuals; it was always percieved as a completely seperate medium to cinema (and it really had to be given that people would have been watching small, B&W, CRT sets). The approach is now admittedly very dated (even to British audiences) but there is some great entertainment to be found by those willing to accept it on it's own terms and looking for intelligent drama rather than mindless spectacle - I, Claudius and Pennies From Heaven being two of the finest examples.

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