Who blew up the house?


Well, I fell asleep during the movie but caught the end. So I did not
get the movie. Did the girl blow up the house, was she just imagining it?

What was the point of the movie?

I had no sympathy for the guy or the girl. He would have shot the police
officer, only somebody got ahead of him. When he told the girl that he
would have shot the officer, she had no reaction. When the guy was shot,
I wondered if I should feel sad now.

Well, crappy movie ... but I still hope that at least the last scene of
blowing up the building had at least some logic.

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It seems that I'm not the only one watching ARTE late in the night then checking on IMDB. Regarding your question, that's the point: I think that today we're no longer able to understand a such movie.

It's about a period were people still thought that the so called modern world won't dominate everything. Today, from our perspective, the behaviour of the guy or the girl makes no sense.

But somehow I understand that we're in trouble.

The girl just imagined the house blowing. She leaves the world it represents and blows everything with.

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Thank's for the reply... yep, been watching ARTE...

This movie doesn't help me trying to understand the youth of the 60s.
If viewers aren't able to understand this movie today, I doubt that people understood it 30 years ago.

Maybe I should have watched "Sport clips" on DSF instead. Watching women undress and expose their boobs has more intellectual content than ZB. At least there's less of a chance to fall asleep...

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I saw ZB on Arte too. Watching the Sport Clips can make you also very tired. Especially when the advertisments between the Clips.

"If you should encounter god on your way, god will be cut." Hattori Hanzo

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I didn't care much about the characters. This is in part to fact that they were not very good actors, and the plot is not that interesting. It's an uneven film. I do like the ending a lot, Its one of those rare moments in cinema where you are transported to another world through images and music. I think that scene it's worth the whole movie. I've heard that they used about ten cameras to film the explosion from different angles.

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LOL! You're crazy! How can you compare ARTE with DSF (late night sexy sports clips)???

Anyway, strange movie and everyone just *has to see*, regardless if it makes sense for you or not!

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I have to agree with you there. The Pink Floyd soundtrack combining with the slow-motion explosion of the consumerist world is just beautiful to behold. For me, Antonioni achieves more in the final minutes than in the rest of the film.

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I survived the 1960's and saw the movie first-run in 1970. Trust me. It made no more sense then than it does today.

One thing I'll say for it though is that it made at least some kind of lasting impression on me. Many years later when I had the opportunity to acquire the film on videocassette, I did. Somehow over the time since my first viewing of it I must have convinced myself that there must certainly have been more to the film than I had grasped the first time around. Viewing it again cured me of that theory.

The music soundtrack is another matter. I bought the record (vinyl, of course) shortly after seeing the film the first time. And I've since acquired a special edition 2-disk soundtrack CD (1997) of Zabriskie Point.

I still love the music; so who knows? Maybe deep down inside there's some part of me that likes something about the movie itself. Stranger things have happened. For example, I like 'My Dinner With Andre' and haven't even the vaguest idea why (wink).

Incidentally, I saw a movie the following year (1971) called 'Vanishing Point,' and I remember entertaining a suspicion that it was the film Zabriskie Point would rather have been. (Please don't ask me to explain that. I can't.)

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"but I still hope that at least the last scene of
blowing up the building had at least some logic."

You hope, yes, but will you ever know ?

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But this is the thing with Antonioni. I personally don't feel he makes films about sympathetic characters that we're supposed to embrace or be taken on a feel-good romantic journey with. He's not playing to us like a musical, or any Meg Ryan movie. Look at other films of his such as Blowup, there is a detachment and angularity there which examines a situation with a clinical, almost scientific eye.

I guess it depends on what you want from a movie. I personally like it when a director shows you something from a completely different angle or perspective that is removed from character connection. Antonio does this well, and so do other directors such as Fellini, Godard, Bunuel. Other directors, like Spielberg, make their reputations on films that feature a strong character attraction or affiliation, which is nice, but lacks the brilliance and art of film that someone like Kubrick posessed.

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Exactly right. Mainstream America doesn't come out of the film terribly well, to put it mildly (consisting essentially - in Antonioni's sharply-observed vision - of corporate despoilers, thuggish police, mean-spirited small-businessmen and philistine, lumpen-conformist, consumerist Mr and Mrs America (and Junior)), but this doesn't mean that our sympathies are supposed to rest firmly, automatically and unconditionally with the student rebels or with Mark Frechette and Daria (although she is almost certainly the most sympathetic of the available options).

What is it with you young people (I'm 52)? Are you so narcissistic or lacking in empathy that you must always have heroes and heroines that you can identify with, or simply-stated causes (spelt out in letters six feet high just in case anyone misses the point) that you can subscribe to? Have you altogether lost the capacity to cope with ambiguity or uncertainty?

This film was never likely to be a commercial success, even at the time of its release, and - given the collapse in the rigour of public education that has gathered pace in the intervening 40 years or so - it is even less likely to be understood or appreciated now. There is plenty of simple-mindedly distracting fodder currently available at your local multiplex if you don't want to make the fairly modest mental effort a film like this demands.

To me Zabriskie Point is a model of narrative clarity, and Antonioni's contempt for the existing establishment and his reservations about the moral and intellectual coherence of the would-be rebels are conveyed subtly but forcefully. (Rather like the improvisatory instrumentals of the Pink Floyd and the Grateful Dead that constitute most of the soundtrack, the freewheeling core of the film is bookended (and contextualised) by tighter thematic statements.)

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>This film was never likely to be a commercial success,

That would be news to Metro Goldwyn Mayer, who definitely wanted to cash in on the youthful moviegoer demographic (of the day), had seen the success of "Blow Up", and thought Antonioni would deliver. Word is that some heads rolled among the studio execs for financing this "Golden Turkey".

Sorry, but here you clearly DON'T understand Hollywood. Leftist pretensions of so many of them aside, this was a box office disaster, and it stung them badly.

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One point that should be put in mind is this: The guy doesn't understand America. The events take place in America and the actors are american, but everything seems dubbed from italian. The old illusions that americans have; that's everything that comes from Europe is deep, highly cultured and should be taken seriously... well.. this trick never fails. Personally, I think the guy didn't have a clue of what he was talking about. He wanted to create a nude love orgy in the desert for the hell of it. He wanted to see a house exploding and let these people abroad stay up late wondering who blew it (I think it happened in her mind). These ideas were extremely successful in that era, but we can never understand this atmosphere now. Hippies are already in their early fifties now, and the world is getting gloomily wise for these european games.

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oooh those evil nasty tricks that European Directors try, let us thank our regime that we have found them out, those corrigible puppet stooges!!

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I think, as a European who has spent time in America myself, Antonioni understood America extremely well. It isn't too difficult to understand that at one time young people thought that they could make a real difference, they thought that the world could be better but they were confused and frustrated at the same time.

Antonioni seems to be predicting the unstoppable advancement of America - it's relentless obliteration of other cultural ideals in the face of overwhelming capitalism. I'm not saying this is wrong or right just that it has happened and continues to unabated.

I like America i think it is a wonderful place and it has an admirable set of ideals as its core but there is a lot of things wrong in the culture and i believe that Antonioni tried to bring this to the surface unfortunately his cinema language is very difficult to understand and it passed plenty of people by. I love this film i think it is truly unique.

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I just saw the 35mm print at a local arthouse, and found the movie boring for the most part. Being a Deadhead/Floydhead, I wanted to see the movie because of the soundtrack more than anything, but was also interested in whether or not the movie succeeded in saying anything about the 60's generation.

While I think Antonioni captures some of the major points about the hippie generation (rebelling against traditional values, the anger and frustration caused by their failure to effect change through accepted channels), the movie seems to say that America's Baby Boomers were just adrift in a dead land, wasting their time (and ours) making love and running from the law. As an eyewitness and student of the era, I can say he never gets to the core of what drove the Baby Boomers. It oversimplifies a generation who so changed the world for the better that it's taken 30 years for the CEO's and corrupt politicians to change it back.

The sad part is that the most brilliant portion of the film, the explosion of the house and its contents to one of Pink Floy'd best songs, failed to ring true. The girl looks back on the opulent house where the business of explointing the Earth is being conducted. It is the symbol of all the things wrong with America and Western Civilization in general. In her mind she explodes the house, supposedly destroying the idea of it in her mind. And yet, as history has shown, most of the Baby Boomer generation sold out in the 80's, trading in their VW microbuses for BMW's, their youthful idealism for traditional values and their socialism for captialism. The prediction of the exploding house was never truly fulfilled. In the early 21st, it's business as usual again.

It's still a movie with a great soundtrack, and there are scenes that capture the energy of the era, but if you want to gain further insight into America's war with itself, watch a movie like "Little Big Man."

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I just saw Zabriskie Point in a program with many of Antonioni's other films. Although I think Antonioni is one of the masters of cinema, I think this is one of his minor works. I mean, some of his Italian films are truly magnificent--what am I saying, ALL of his post neorealist and modernist films are a revelation. Concerning the question of whether his representation of America as an European sucks or not in ZP, I would say it is pretty good. It reminds me of that coffee table book by Baudrillard--American signs and vast wasteland landscapes are fodder for Europeans who think they're Marxists. The way that America looks on the surface is so easy to attack from this perspective because frankly, American strip malls and billboard advertising is really a really depressing reminder of the ends of capitalism. Another great European perspective on Amerircan vapidness and emptiness (figurative and litera) is Paris, Texas by Wim Wenders. Anyway, Antonioni's critique of America--his amazingly striking photography of the pop nonsense of the commercial landscape is far out, man. No, sarcasm aside, some of these images are great, I just don't think this film gels well. It's just a bit too groovy for me. And the dialogue as usual, sux. I prefer La Notte.

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Zabriskie Point is an analysis of the *idea* of late '60s American counterculture and capitalism; Antonioni's USA is not intended to be real. Note that his fixation on corporate signage, though vapid in a Warhol-ish kind of way, is very, very beautiful -- and then contrast that beauty with Mark and Daria's elemental sexiness (they're quite like Adam and Eve, and should be understood as archetypes rather than "actual" people). The orgy scene pairs their desperate sensuality, their (wasted) youth, with the sterility and death of the landscape -- the same landscape that Rod Taylor's character is trying to exploit (he's a developer). Essentially, America in ZP is a kind of rotten canvas onto which both the counterculture and big business try to spill themselves. And throughout the whole film we have Daria wondering if the complete and total annihilation/reappropriation of America -- via revolution, catastrophe, corruption, whatever -- could be feasible, or even desirable. Her epiphany (the exploding house sequence) is not a direct answer, but a remarkable suggestion: i.e., that destroying beautiful things, even the *possibility* of destroying them, is -- at that moment at least, which is, after all, her and her generation's fleeting, luxurious, shining moment - more beautiful than the things themselves could ever be.

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it's taken 30 years for the CEO's and corrupt politicians to change it back.

I hate to tell you this, but "the CEOs and corrupt politicians" who changed things back from the Nirvana that the Baby Boomers allegedly created are themselves Baby Boomers. It's the Boomers who changed. Little gremlins didn't come and undo the Flower Children's work. Flower Children became CEOs and politicians and undid it themselves.

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well my american friend..We (europeans) can easily understand whats going on in your country..It has been, and it is today (even worst) very much like Antonioni shows it...And most of all, (wait and see), the last seen, sooner or later is going to be the final act of the American dream...

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Oh really? You Europeans stagnate, decay, and allow muslim savages to reduce you to dhimmitude in your own countries, and you claim to understand the one major nation that tries to fight the savagery to which you feebly succomb?

Mr. Antonioni's ending did resonate with a message; however, it probably wasn't the one that he intended. The message? That the "counterculture" ended with nothing but fantasies of nihilistic destruction, nothing constructive came of it.

Fortunately, not too much destructive came of it either, other than the whole wretched 1970's decade. We are still recovering from that damage!

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As a European myself (I'm English in spite of my monicker) I understand what you're saying, but you have to understand that our "dhimmitude" (which I entirely deplore) is not entirely self-inflicted. Have a good look at an atlas of the world and see what countries partly encircle us in a rather apt Islamic crescent. (Note, in particular, our relative closeness to Israel and the Middle East.)

The United States, on the other hand, is the filling in the club sandwich between sparsely-populated Canada (whose political-correctness imitates the silliest excesses of Western Europe and especially Britain) and a pullulating, lawless but at least Roman Catholic Mexico. In other words, the relative conditions of Europe and America vis-a-vis Islamisation are to no little extent accidents of geography as much as products of policy.

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And yet, somehow, some way, the Israelis stand firm. And these are Jewish people, so many of whom throughout history have been prone to intellectual navel-gazing and wishfully ignoring deadly threats until it is too late for a good many of them.

It is sad to see what Canada, the UK and much of the Anglosphere have been reduced to. Churchill's ghost weeps, and I can only hope Maggie in her senescence does not know what her beloved land has come to.

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I think you're on to something with yor comments both about Antonioni's motivation -- doing something because it was cool to see -- and the way we Americans grovel before and enrich anything that comes from an European perspective. To me , the characcters were detached in much the same way that Mersault in The Stranger was detached. They also kind of remind me of the Beat generation with their alienation and coolness. I saw the movie back in my youth when it first was released -- I was with a bunch of UCLA anthro students who were so detached and so cool that Charles Manson could have walked through the door and someone would have handed him a beer and asked him
"...hey, what's happenin' Dude?"

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The girl imagined the house blowing up

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.....I did ! And you were inside watching your stupid (how you call it?) sexy sport clips ?....

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Penguins ate her baby, so she blew up the house.

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Wow, someone stayed awake long enough to see the house exploding? Or did you cunningly set an alarm?

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