Why were they mean to Warren?


I hated how Barbra and Jack Nicholson insulted and humiliated him on the rooftop. A classic example of colossal 60's counterculture arrogance: he was a normal hardworking, ambitious person who wanted a family, so that meant he had to be punished for not being like them.


"If girls are made of sugar and spice, how come they smell like Tuna Fish!?". Il Duce, RIP

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Warren my man. What is it with women, anyway?

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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Not most women, just Babs...

Unc John "We makin' trouble?"
Stacy "Yeah"
Unc John "What kind?"
Stacy "...The forever kind"

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at least some young girls have respect for elder men ...

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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In real life, Warren would be a catch. I'm sure he found the right woman eventually.


Unc John "We makin' trouble?"
Stacy "Yeah"
Unc John "What kind?"
Stacy "...The forever kind"

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Probably not one who laughs a lot ...

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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No. She'd have to be dull and boring like him, but he has the right to be dull and boring.


Unc John "We makin' trouble?"
Stacy "Yeah"
Unc John "What kind?"
Stacy "...The forever kind"

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Because he was a pompous constipated a-hole who was only interested in Daisy as a potential (and highly unsuitable) corporate wife. And a good match, since she was wealthy. As opposed to Nicholson, who supposedly loved 'the real Daisy'.

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Yeah, it's easy for them to be free spirited hippie's and believe in "true love" when they're both born rich and probably never worked a day in their lives. If that doesn't make them the worst kind of self serving hypocrites, I don't know what does. "Constipated" "A-hole" Warren, on the other hand, actually had to live in the real world and work for a living. He was ambitious and wanted to better himself. If that makes him an A-hole, then call me an A-hole any day.

Of course Daisy was a poor match for Warren, but she could have let him down a lot easier, and not in front of Nicholson. If she had so much contempt for him, why was she with him in the first place? This movie was a product of the '60's counterculture. The character of square Warren was created simply so Jack and Babs could shoot him down and attack the establishment.

I had nothing but contempt for Jack and Daisy. They (and mainly the movie) had no right to stand in judgement of Warren, or anyone else.


Unc John "We makin' trouble?"
Stacy "Yeah"
Unc John "What kind?"
Stacy "...The forever kind"

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I think, actually, Minnelli is not biased. He seems to be rooted solidly between the left and the right with equal contempt for both camps.

You should note the ending of OACDYCSF. Daisy is lost. The professor betrayed her and she has nowhere to go. Notice when she leaves the university after beting ditched, she suddenly stop ouside, frightened. The music supports this horror. Where can I go now that I ditched the safety of my Warren life, she asks herself. Crazy me, what did I do? In fact, if you ask me, the ending, that ends in her being placed in a black place in the garden is her doom, downfall or suicide that transfers her to heaven. Also a tribute from Minnelli to Judy Garland, over the rainbow, a peaceful place for sweet Daisy, the true hero of this movie - and a tribute to a woman's many personalities and the difficulties they create for them.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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Your take on Minnelli is interesting. In that scene, the left looked just as bad as the right. And I'm not a big cheerleader for Warren's way of life, I just can't stand seeing cruelty and humiliation for it's own sake in movies or TV.

I haven't seen the movie in years. I'll check out the ending again.


Unc John "We makin' trouble?"
Stacy "Yeah"
Unc John "What kind?"
Stacy "...The forever kind"

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Let me hear what you think then.

"You couldn't be much further from the truth" - several

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The subtext that kept coming through in regards to Nicholson's character and Streisand's was HE...

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even though they were step-siblings was the best choice for a mate. Wqrren, if the novie had have played fair would be Don Draper. There seems to be an allusion to OACDYCSF in the first seqson of MADMEN with a female character like Streisand's.

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