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Anyone else disturbed?


The experience of watching Hi, Mom! to me can be compared to one's viewing of horrendous or gory beheadings shown on al-Jazeera, You don't want to watch that sort of stuff but for some odd reason you are glued to the tv screen up until the blod spews out of the victims blood causing you to change the darn channel (I hope). Don't get me wrong i did appreciate the rawness of the movie; However i could not help but be disgusted by some unknown aspect of the movie. I can't quite explain why, but i couldnt bring myself to watch the final minutes of this movie. I am not sure why, just simply had to change the channel. Can anyone else relate to the disgusting emotions this movie conjured up in me??

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The site of a jet seeming to head toward a skyscraper just before the explosive climax was indeed eery for me, even though at that time (1970) the WTC was yet to be constructed. Reading Slavoj Zizek's _Welcome to the Desert of the Real!_ has made me look at cinematic representations of catastrophe in a new light--as dark fantasies that have come back to haunt us, making the transition from "reel life" to real life in recent years.

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There are some creepy deja vu moments, I agree, but this movie is clearly set in a pre-9/11 universe and is definitely of its time. I thought it was hysterically funny; no real discomfort watching it at all. (Just saw it last night for the first time.) And if you tuned out before it was over, you missed out. The final few minutes are the culmination of what the movie was all about. I'd say put aside what modern day fears you're bringing to it, and give it another chance.

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That's the thing about it though. I don't get why people say it's funny. There were a couple of laughs but most of it was just weird & confusing & once the black group were harrasing the white theater goers then it seemed normal at first but turned into what seemed like real violence. I didn't ever know how to view what was going on.

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I don't recall the image of a jet flying towards a skyscraper, either I missed it or it has been edited out of the DVD version I watched?

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I think rayodeluz misremembered that scene.

It is in the final act, at about 1hr 16 min into the film.
Right after Rubin has watched the troupe's attempts to bring the Be Black experience to the coop building be violently foiled, and he has smashed the television set he was watching all of this this on, the screen fades to black. The next scene opens with the coop building in silhouette at twilight. The titles read, "Three months later the urban guerilla goes into action."
The camera is turned up at about a 60-degree angle from the ground, so that the upper floors of the building are visible, along with a wide expanse of sky, a tiny crescent moon, and what turns out to be the contrail of a jet plane which initially is hidden by the building. The low-flying jet emerges into view from behind the building and very rapidly flies off the top right side of the screen.

So the jet doesn't fly toward a skyscraper; it flies above and past a skyscraper.
This happens so fast -- and almost off-screen -- that it would be easy to misremember what happens.

I think it's the speed that the plane is traveling at that seems to be the thing that makes the image somewhat reminiscent of the 9/11 plane footage.

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Actually, I just saw this film for the first time and I was bothered and disturbed by it as well. First, the "Be Black Baby" is rather dated, but the rape is just too brutal and real to be appreciated as a "theatre of the absurb" or "performance art" piece. The second thing is, I never felt Rubin had any genuine or sincere motivation just to blow up a group of pretty much innocent people just because they lived, what, in a government built housing? This is especially true since one of those is not only now his wife but more importantly his unborn child. She may be a bit shallow, but he was using her rather callously. It all emphasizes Rubin himself is much more corrupt and shallow than the people he has murdered. Its bothered me for days, especially since the first third of the movie is so eccentrically amusing.

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The Be Black Baby scene on the staircase is absolutely hilarious

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It's important to realize that Hi, Mom is a satire -- it gives you a front row seat to the more extreme elelments of the late Sixties. And Rubin is neither a hero or an anti-hero, he just is, so doing something like he did in the end is not out of the question.

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I dont understand wat was they doin wen all the black people got killed lol wat was happenin? I still dont understand and did the rape that white women with a stick?,

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are you retarded? do you not know that's not how to spell those words?? shut up.

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I see that last comment was posted in 2008. This being 2011, the above poster would now be catching all sorts of flack for referring the previous poster as "retarded". That word has since become politically unacceptable. Our lovely world just keeps on changing everyday, don't it? { Slang vernacular intended for effect. }

One more thing: An address by Robert "Rubin the Bombthrower" De Niro was voiced over yesterday's 911 remembrance ceremony at Soldier Field, Chicago. Oh, the irony!

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After viewing it 15 years ago, and again tonight, I still don't get it--esp. the abusiveness of be black. Maybe I would get it more had I been in NYC 35+ years ago. Strange and odd film.

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I have never seen this movie, But it is coming on TV tonight so Iam going to see what it is about.. If it is too graphic I will change the channel because I hate seeing people getting their heads chopped off.. I can handle anything but the neck up LoL.. When it comes to someone being cut in the neck or whatever, I cannot, Makes me cringe! I will just have to see what it is about.. Iam always up to watch a Robert movie that I have never seen before.. As long as the sh*t doesnt have nudity in it.. There are many Robert movies that I actually do not like.. Its not that I dont like him, Its just that the storylines are disturbing.. So yeah, I will give this one a whirl and let you know my thoughts..

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"'Paramilitary Activities in Urban Areas.' Because all organized revolutionary movements have been thoroughly infiltrated by government agents, the successful acts of sabotage will be carried out by single individuals. A lone saboteur must first assimilate himself into the urban community, assuming a lifestyle indistinguishable from the bourgeois members around him."

-- Robert De Niro reading from The Urban Guerrilla in HI, MOM!

[This coming from Brian De Palma, a filmmaker so subversive he turned the sicko punchline of GREETINGS into a completely different type of film -- CASUALTIES OF WAR -- twenty years later, and nobody noticed]

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the film starts out great with a fascinating premise, then drops it in favor of the be black baby scene which has nothing to do wit te first part. it is disturbing and the screaming bothered me as did the nonsensical ending.

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Yea I nearly turned it off during the whole rape scene. But, I stuck it through, and ended up diggin it. Though I probably would not watch it again.

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"'Paramilitary Activities in Urban Areas.' Because all organized revolutionary movements have been thoroughly infiltrated by government agents, the successful acts of sabotage will be carried out by single individuals. A lone saboteur must first assimilate himself into the urban community, assuming a lifestyle indistinguishable from the bourgeois members around him."

-- Robert De Niro reading from The Urban Guerrilla in HI, MOM!

[This coming from Brian De Palma, a filmmaker so subversive he turned the sicko punchline of GREETINGS into a completely different type of film -- CASUALTIES OF WAR -- twenty years later, and nobody noticed]

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It's a good movie. The only thing that I didn't like was that the ending was weak. I looked at the TV(it's on Encore on Demand now) and as soon as he said "Hi, Mom" and the credits showed, I was like "That's it?! WTF?!" It was like that during the "Be Black Baby" scene too. I thought it was some real thing he was filming(YES I know he was the cop in the scene too, but sometimes low budget movies used the same actors in other roles too.) and then come to find out it was a play.

I don't understand the complaining about how disgusting it is. The only turn-off was the swerve and the ending because it came out of nowhere. Then again, I'm used to things like that. I watch Raw.......

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The "Be Black, Baby" segment wasn't real anyway.

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I'm not disturbed. If I have to disturbed, I'll be disturbed in almost EVERY single scene in almost EVERY film! I'll probably end up won't watch any more films, except perhaps some Disney cartoons.

Why do people complaint when they saw some rape scene? The victim ain't DEAD! The only different between a rape scene and sex scene is the 'victim' being against their will. Nudity you ask, how about sex scenes or nude beaches? Talk about dignity, it's the same seeing some fat kid being bullied or a wife beaten by her husband infront of their children. Talk about humanity, people should worry more seeing human being killed on films and ask for banning of murder or torture scenes. And I never heard of a single one, but almost every rape scene is being yelled at.

My point is: rape is bad. But it's not as bad as murder. That is why for killing a person one will probably face life sentence or even death row. But in most country rape don't make death row, not even life. (We're not talking about crime against minors here). And considering the crime itself, ever heard of statutory rape? A murder is always a murder. Statutory rape is not a rape but considered as rape. No murder is a 'considered murder', it's always murder, only the degrees differ. Go figure.

Rape are REAL, tortures are REAL, murders are REAL, etc, etc. That's why it's on films. Wake up!

After all it's only a film, why don't you just turn your head around or close your eyes and plug your ears if you don't want to watch something, the same as some people won't watch disgusting scenes involving feces or something.

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If I can just throw in my two cents here, a lot of people who say they don't "get" this movie seem to be taking it on a far too literal level. This is experimental cinema and I'm sure was probably more widely appreciated in the social climate of the time it was made. Those who enjoyed it (such as myself, wholeheartedly) recognized it as satire, and appreciate the fact that it was an experimental piece...also some people are put off by movies made many years ago and call them "dated", or can't relate to them, but I'm fascinated by them and interested to know what things were like then. There are different types of filmgoers, and some people enjoy a more mainstream experience with a linear, literal plot, "sympathetic" characters, and a nice, satisfying conclusion where everything gets resolved and wraps up nicely. Then there are people who enjoy something that is open to interpretation, takes risks, delivers a message that on the surface may not be obvious, explores different styles and techniques, is not afraid to shock or offend but does not do it gratuitously, and in the end delivers something out of the ordinary and thought provoking. I feel I'm one of those people and this is one of those films. I'm not above enjoying a mainstream, conventional movie and I'm not judging people that are strictly into movies like that. I just enjoy the rewards of having an open mind.

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Jim Emerson claims that he's seen people run out of the theater screaming during this sequence. That would really be something, wouldn't it?

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I just finished this and thought it was very interesting to say the least.

Could someone explain to me what that one poster above means about the sicko punchline of GREETINGS and CASUALTIES OF WAR? I've seen the latter, but not the former, so I don't get what he means. How are they connected?

Also, where was there an image of a plane nearly crashing into a sky scraper? I didn't see that anywhere? And one more thing, did they actually rape that white woman in the elevator? It seemed like DeNiro showed up just before the black men were able to actually rape her (though they had managed to get her pants/panties off, as well as her shirt).

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Could someone explain to me what that one poster above means about the sicko punchline of GREETINGS and CASUALTIES OF WAR? I've seen the latter, but not the former, so I don't get what he means. How are they connected?
In Greetings, DeNiro's character is a peeping tom, and likes to film women as they undress. He's also trying to con the draft board so he won't have to go to Vietnam. In the end, he fails at the latter, and ends up in Vietnam anyway...where he proceeds to goad a local woman into undressing for him.

I believe that the above poster is implying that while DePalma played this scene for laughs, he later made a wrenching dramatic film about soldiers committing sexual assault in Vietnam, which is a similar circumstance.

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Some parts were gut wrenching, like the rape.

What I found funny was the scene of the "humbled" white people talking about having been part of the be black experience.

I now find out that they were just actors which makes it even better.


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Hi Mom! falls into the category of the "chaos cinema" that must have seemed very relevant 1969-1970, e.g. The Magic Christian, Candy, et al. So I personally find these films more interesting as cultural artifacts than as great films, although the performances in De Palma's film seemed very Cassavetian, and I'm a Cassavetes fan.



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