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John Candy was NOT in this film. Heres four reason why.


This was NOT john candy and here's a list of reasons why:

1. Looks to old to be him at that age

2. Doesn't even look like him. Plain and simple.

3. he didn't have a film career in 1970

4. He had not done ANY filming in the stats until SCTV and that was 1978. HIN is 1970 and filmed only in Newyork, Newyork.

Those four reason prove alone it was not him.

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And what does the now deceased John Candy have to do with this cheese fest?

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He's a big mouse!

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who says he was in it anyway?

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wtf

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troll

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Actually not that unreasonable a question. I just watched this cheese fest, and about 9 1/2 minutes into it there is a brawl on a ship which features a chubby guy on screen for bout 7 seconds speaking two lines, who very much looks and sounds like he could be John Candy. A Google search for "Hercules in New York" and "John Candy" brings up a handful of biographies saying that he had a few bit parts in movies in the early 1970s, including this one. John Candy would have been about 19 or 20 when this was filmed; the guy in this scene does look a little older on first glance, but it really is hard to tell and the guy being 19 is not out of the realm of the possible. Don't believe me? Go rent this film and take a look for yourself, if you can handle this moldy cheese.

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Actually John Candy was in this film. This film was so cheap they probably did not put him into the credits. Many John candy biographies on online have indictated this fact.

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neither did Arnold Schwarzenegger, technically speaking!!

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I just saw the movie for the fourth time, i don't believe it is John Candy, doesn't look like him at all.

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Looking at John's profile on IMDB ( http://uk.imdb.com/name/nm0001006/ ) he is credited as being in the film but as 'unconfirmed'....

I personally don't think it is John Candy, he looks too old and too fat...but then again I guess it could be?!

Here's a screen shot from the DVD, see what you think..

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a227/jezy_1973/Jcandy.jpg

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haha! thats not him at all!

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If its not then its his twin brother

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Wow,after looking at that screen shot I don't know.It would have been alot better if there had been a picture of John Candy from 1969/1970 to compare it to.I just can't decide.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a227/jezy_1973/Jcandy.jpg

...look and tell me what you think.

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In the movie, the person looks like an older man, but I have to say I thought it was him while watching that scene. They do look alike and sound alike.

And I haven't seen any movie roles of Candy except those shot in the late 70's - late 90's so I have no idea how he looked.



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It is John candy!!!!

Why doesn't anyone use IMDB. Type in John Candy, and go down to his early films where it clearly says he was in this movie..... is it that hard to do.....

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You mean where is clearly says 'unconfirmed' next to it as well - i.e. they're not sure if he was in it.

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Made you look.....

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I'd already looked.

'My name's Buck...and I'm here to *beep*

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Prove it....

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I have John Candy's bloated, reanimated corpse to the left of me and he says: "It was me, dead to rights, dammint!"
The statement does not lie.

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Look

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It is John candy!!!!

Why doesn't anyone use IMDB. Type in John Candy, and go down to his early films where it clearly says he was in this movie..... is it that hard to do.....
Oh dear lord.
sofakinglow, IMDb can be updated by anyone, so who knows what's correct!
You act as though IMDb researched the information themselves; information is provided by internet users such as you and me.

By the way, this movie was released in 1970, which means it was probably produced in 1969.
John Candy was born Oct. 31, 1950 (that's according to IMDb, if you can believe them; wink, wink), which means he would have been 18 or 19 years old when the movie was made.

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There's no way in hell it was Candy.

He would have been too young. He hadn't even embarked on a film career yet. It doesn't look like him. It doesn't sound like him. It's not him.

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he looks too fat around the face to be John Candy. Ill admit when I first saw the film, I thought it was him too. I'm kindda doubting it, unsure, because if it wasnt John Candy, who was it? why hasnt he come forward?

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John Candy dubbed over Arnold's lines because Arnold's English wasn't too good. So the original release had John Candy voicing "Arnold Strong," but the later release of the film had Arnold's voice restored.

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Well it says now uncredited next to his name, so I guess a reliable source has identified him to be in it.

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The final conclusion is that he was definitely in it?!?! cool.

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IMDB John Candy credits are compiled by die hard movie fans like you and me. Which means there can be errors!!!

To know for sure u need to confirm this information. We should find someone who was in this movie, the director could very well confirm it!



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I don't think it was John Candy either. For one thing, when John first started on SCTV in 76 or 77 he was pudgy but not really fat in those early episodes, and from that point he gradually put on weight until his death.

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At first, I thought it wasn't him either because he looked older and perhaps heavier than when he was in his early SCTV days, but now I think it could very well be him - same eyebrows, teeth, scar (wrinkle) above his nose. And yeah, he sounds and acts like Candy too.

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On the triva, it now says he was in this movie, haha.

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Yes, but when this thread was started it didn't have him listed at all.

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Yeah, I know, this threads pretty dern old. But it's still really funny.

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I just watched this movie, that's not John Candy.
The guy doesn't look like him, he doesn't sound like him, he looks to be about 40 years old, double what John Candy was at the moment, and he looks fatter than John Candy was younger.
Also as it has been stated numerous times before, the movie was filmed in New York city, and John Candy is from Canada.

Do you think they had a worldwide search for the 2 line part in this cheap movie, and John Candy was the chosen one out of thousands of applicants?
It was just some guy from New York, maybe an actor, maybe not, but not John Candy.

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40 years old? - the guy looks to be about 20, well he must me since it is john candy.

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20?? Look closer, he looks way older than that.

The guy doesn't even look or sound like John Candy, not even remotely, sorry, he doesn't.
This guy is now credited for the role too:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2460149/

Whoever it was, it was not John Candy, he was in Canada at the moment of filming the movie, well, I can't know exactly where he was, but it would be pretty remarkable if he WAS in New York and got casted for a bit role for a low budget movie.

The guy's voice, has a bit of the same ring that John Candy had, but he really doesn't sound like him, their facial features are very different, and the guy was much more overweight than John Candy was at that point in his life.

It cleary was an older fella, a 20 year old, overweight or not, can't look that old.

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i thought it was a joke when i saw it after hearing it was john candy, an unfunny pointless joke, its obviously not him, you coudlnt get someone who looked more different than candy than that fat guy

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Its John Candy alright!, I just watched it very closely, and did a comparison. Its definitely John Candy, he looks a little different because it was so many years ago, but definitely him.

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It IS John Candy!

http://www.northernstars.ca/actorsabc/candy_john_bio.html

He was from Toronto too and this was filmed in New York. Its only a short flight

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This has got to be the silliest thing ever. That biography is obviously erroneous. The resemblance between the man in the movie & John Candy is extemely faint. If this is John Candy then Will Ferrell sits in the White House right now (old SNL sketch). The accent is also American & of an older generation.

By the way, nobody seems to have noticed that this little bit of misinformation, now canonized in the IMDb, is inaccurate even on its own terms. Non-Candy appears shipboard, not in the later harbour fight scene. Details, details.

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So has anybody definitevely figured out whether it was John Candy or not?

That guy sounds so much like him and looks like him, and New York isn't too far away from Canada...but the age (wrinkles) are out of place.

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I think we are experiencing a nice example of confirmation bias. This is an interesting psychological experiment.

Lots of people bear resemblance to one another. This person looks a bit like John Candy (sounds nothing like him). None of the arguments offered up here for the likelihood of this less-than-spitting image of John Candy being the man himself are very persuasive.

But here's this: Some time ago I wrote to the fellow who runs the Canadian star database website somebody mentioned as confirming this person as being John Candy, asking for his sources. According to him, sources were several other web sites, names forgotten, plus IMDb. How is that for a perfect circularity?

IMDb profile: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3191299/

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I wrote to the same guy a few years ago and asked him for his source. He told me the same thing he told you. When I told him it wasn't John Candy, he asked me if I had proof it wasn't him. I told him the burden of proof was on him since he was actually publishing the information. After some back and forth, he agreed to remove the information which stated that Candy was in Hercules in New York.

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It's not John Candy. It's Harrison Ford.


http://tinyurl.com/cjsy86c

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Yeh, I think I'm finally at the conclusion, its not John Candy... Sadly.

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#1 is the best reason, but they do not "prove" anything. They are only your own personal opinions and far from empirical evidence by any stretch.

I really thought that it might be John Candy for a long time. It looks very close to John and he even sounds like him doing some sort of "schtick" (remember the sound quality in this movie is extremely poor). Also, since John was in Toronto at the time, it's not that hard to imagine someone driving half a day to NYC for an opportunity to be in a movie. People who say the guy's weight is too much obviously don't know John Candy as he had a weight problem all his life (see below). Also, the man is cowering down from Herc, accentuating his double chin and balling up (ie: looking heavier than he was from that camera angle).

With that being said, however, the thing that made me finally lean toward it not being him is the age factor. Go to the link below and compare the "Hercules Goes Bananas" clip with his first "official" uncredited role, which was "Class of '44" (three yrs after this film). The weight is pretty much the same, but John looks strikingly younger (much younger than the guy in Herc in my opinion). Who knows though.

http://www.johncandy.com/

And that IMDb credit of Abe whatever doesn't do anything for me. I mean, there is no picture and the only film the guy was "apparently" in was this one AND he was uncredited.... way too fishy for me.

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