Remake


I hate to see movies remade simply for the act of remaking them. However, I think the novel Catch 22 deserves a better film version than the Mike Nichols/Buck Henry production. Though the 1970 film has many highlights I have always felt the film is too murky and unclear in both filmmaking style and in message. Also the film goes from comedy to drama with little in between. Hopefully one day some director choses to remake the work and push it more towards a Dr. Strangelove style of satire.
The film is helped by an all-star cast and I would like to see some of the "Frat Packers" (Vince Vaughn, the Wilson brothers, Will Ferrell, Jack Black, Ben Stiller) in it. I think Vaughn has the deadpan sarcasm and broding charisma to play Yossarian. Vaughn has had great as a dry comedian but is also skilled in dramatic work. I'd also like to see Luke Wilson as the Art Garfunkel part and Owen Wilson as Arfy with Jack Nicholson as Dreedel or Cathcart. I don't know who would direct perhaps someone like David O. Russel or Spike Jonze (though neither seems like a perfect choice).

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that cast would realy suck for this movie

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No offence, but that cast really would suck for the movie. Those 'actors' (excluding, perhaps, Owen Wilson, who does have real acting talent and greater range) play the same charictor (themselves, we could assume) in every movies they are in and this story is, in short, too good for them. Also, it has to be remebered that while it is a black comedy, there are dramatic aspects. And you can't say that Alan Arken didn't do a great job either, because he did have alot of talent and it showed.

I think that this movie shouldn't be remade until hollywood grows up a bit. Right now, Hollywood is recycling stories and making sequals faster then they can write a decent script. There have been too many great stories turned into crappy movies lately ('Troy', 'Alexander', work-in-progress 'Pride and Prejudice') and I don't want Catch-22 to be one of them.

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Have to disagree on the cast, although I think Luke and Owen Wilson would make good screen-writers.

That being said, Catch 22 really lends itself more to television, each chapter being one episode.

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I agree with you HBO should jump all over this and make a mini series. With the large ensemble casts that they have in shows like carnivale, oz, and Deadwood I think they definitely have the ability to produce this book into a series and the audience to watch it.

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Its been my dream since I read the book to see a good adaptation of the book in either a 2 part movie (or I guess 1 long movie) or a TV miniseries. If no one else does it, I might just have to do it myself!
Hehe, yeah...

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I was just thinking the other day that owen wilson could make a perfect milo minderbinder. I envisioned milo as very similar to the calm style owen sometimes employs (like in "the life aquatic") while reading the novel.

I can invision a perfect chocolate covered cotton scene starring owen.

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I can totally see that as well in some aspects - I do think that Milo has some spazzy and frustrated moments that Owen might or might not play well, like the scene where Milo sort of freaks out because Yossarian has free reign to all the fruit he wants.

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has the book fallen into public domain. cuz i would like to try to write a screenplay

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Stop remaking movies.............just stop...............please..stop...please......

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Nine years later ...

I sympathise with you, ex - so many good films followed my absurd remakes (Italian Job, etc) - but the great book Catch-22 has never had justice done to it in a movie or mini-series. A proper go at Catch-22 would not really be a remake in the same sense that the 1939 Wizard of Oz is never considered a remake.

And maybe Hollywood has settled down enough in recent years to do it right now. It's fun to imagine who the roles could go to. Yossarian needs to be played straight (the only sane person in an insane world) so I reckon Michael C Hall or someone like for that. Jonah Wiley could absolutely nail Milo and maybe Paul Rudd for Major Major. Etc.

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Anyone who's read the book should want a remake that is more faithful than this version was. There was definitely more humor in it, although it is dark humor. I'd love to see a new version!

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I agree. There's a lot more to the book than was in the movie, although the chopped up version is okay. It just seems more like mini-series material.

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Anything where Ben Stilleris prominate SUCKS!!!!

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I just read the book a year ago, and haven't seen the movie yet (hang me for that) because I didn't know it ever existed!
I'm looking for the movie right now, but I think you guys have forgotten that remakes' purpose is to show a good story to newer generations. Except from us movie fans, young people generally does not like "old movies" because they are "only old movies" and cannot appreciate their true value. Hence the importance to spice up things a little with younger, more recognizable casts.
Don't forget this whole industry is still bussiness driven!
With all that said, I hope you guys understand why remakes are still being done everyday.

I laughed a little when I saw the theoretical cast, but the voices told me to consider Jim Carrey for Yosariann's part.

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I was just thinking, would Ed Norton make a good Yossarian (if he got a haircut)? Hes an amazing actor, and I think he could bring the character justice.

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Ed Norton is a great actor and would make the PERFECT Yossarian. Though Alan Arkin was good, I felt he never quite grasped the role. I think Norton would be a great choice.

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With all that said, I hope you guys understand why remakes are still being done everyday.
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Because, as you have already implied, Hollywood stands for industry (as in assembly line production and maximized profit for minimal risk), not for art.

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i just think a mini-series would cheapen it...I think it could be condensed into 3 hours,just like any adaption some good parts will get left out.

The only problem about getting this movie remade is that the budget would prevent it from being an independent film, and hollywood wouldn't allow it to be done the way "we" wants it to be done.

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Dry humor? 2 words, buddy. Fight Club

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Norton might work actually.

WTF is that about a 1973 TV version with Richard Dreyfuss though? Anyone know any more about that?

Half hour for catch 22? bizarre.

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I think that Edward Norton is too small, let alone the wrong color for Yossarian. I DO think Vince Vaughn would be a good Yossarian, and that Kat from Deadwood, who is the preist would be a good Tappman. As for Cathcart, I think Brian Cox would be good, and Korn could be David Cross, although, i think in the book, Korn was bigger. Also, we need some characters not to be excluded, like Hungry Joe, Kid Sampson, ex-PVC Wintergreen, among others.
Also, there should be more about Orr and his relationship with Yossarian.
I liked the original with Alan Arkin, but I think too much was missing.

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Yeah I was really dissapointed to see alot of great characters either missing such as chief white halfoat (I was looking forward to him, he was a riot), ex-PVC wintergreen or misrepresented like hungry joe, major major who I invisioned as much more demure and depressed than the bumbling at first then kinda mean version bob newhard played (in my opinion anyway). I think I liked the casting of Orr best, even though I think the character was under developed.

But It really would require alot of screen time (and a LOT of talent and creativity) to do this great book justice.

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I just saw the film for the first time, and though I haven't read the book in a good ten years, I was impressed with the adaptation and thought it stayed pretty close to the original material. Details were left out, certain character moments would have been nice to see, but such is the nature of squeezing a 400 pg novel into a 120 page screenplay. One thing, however, strikes a dischordant note with me– the later part of the second act veers into a rather dismal examination of the depravity surrounding the men's leave-time activities. Though it perhaps lends to Yossarian's overall feelings of alienation or disenfranchisement, it also sucks the humor right out of the film for a good thirty minutes, thirty minutes that, IMHO, might have been better spent bringing in some of the characters that were left out.
It's a fine line to walk, creating scenes that are true dark comedy versus scenes that are just plain dark. Certainly, if memory serves, the book stays funny pretty much the whole way through. The shift in tone in the later part of the film moves away from this, I think, and is a mistake. In a sense, Good morning Vietnam suffers from the same sort of shift late in the film, though there, after a wonderful 60 minutes of dead-on absurdity and clever righteousness, it becomes downright sentimental.
MASH, a film working in a similar vein, takes a different tact, it goes from black comedy/satire to just plain farce (the whole football game sequence.) Which, in it's case, probably is more of an audience pleaser, but also, in a way, cheapens the rest of the film.
Any thoughts on this?

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Catch-22 is by far my favorite book and I have read through it 2 maybe even 3 times. Since the novel doesn't seem to follow any chronological order, there are limitless possibillities of how the script can be treated. They need to enlist the talents of a gifted scriptwriter (hell, or maybe even I can do it) who can make a cohesive script that above all captures the snappy, sharp wit and humor of the book. Humor I would say is the most crucial element to a sucessful adaptation of this book. Heller's gags made the 400 page book worth reading until the end, and it will also be necesarry for people to an enjoy a movie that will have to be 2 1/2+ hours. So tie together all of the funniest charachters and anecdotes while still maintaining a few of those "war is hell and the people running the army are idiots" themes. Then you'll need a truly great director to give it the finishing touches it needs. I've always thought Martin Scorcese would be great for the job and the soundtrack would rock, but I guess you can't use many rock bands in wwII setting. Tarentino's next film is supposed to be a wwII dramedy so we'll see how that works out. Warren Beatty could if he hasn't retired yet. Steven Soderbergh?

Despite a pretty damn good cast, the Alan Arkin version of Catch 22 failed in many ways. I can't really even explain why, but it definetly isn't as engaging as the book. So mark my words, if Catch 22 is made into another movie it will be a seperate adaptation of the book, and not a remake. I don't want to speculate too much on who to cast in a remake since I'm sure it will recieve criticism. I always thought Johhny Depp would play a great Yossarian but he is pushing 40 and Yossariasn I believe is supposed to be late 20's. I also think having a narrator would help because Heller's words and diction are just so articulate that the movie needs a way that is capable of delivering that kind of punch. A younger Brad Pitt could have also convincingly played a lot of characters in the book, like Milo, because he has great comic delivery. The guy made Tyler Durden into a cinematic icon. Believe it or not, I think the Rock has the timing to play a character like Cheif White Halfoat. I mean I wouldn't even be opposed to casting one or two of the frat pack brothers because they seem to be doing comedy better than anyone else in this buisness. I think Vince Vauggn and Owen Wilson have just enough drama work in their reperotioire to be right for the film, not to mention great chemistry. Plus cast a couple guys like Jack Nicholson and Christopher Walken as generals and you've got the making of a classic. If they keep in those little anecdote chapters like Yo- Yo's roomies and the soldier who saw everything twice that are just a riot from beggining to end, I can't see this movie possibly sucking.

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What most people seem to be missing here is that it is a black comedy. Although most people who have written something, have mentioned that fact, everyone seems to miss the point of what a black comedy is.

Heller began to write Catch 22 in the 1950s and finished it in 1961. This was 16 years after the end of WWII and around the height of absurdism. WWII, which is the war that Catch 22 is set in, was a coming of age for the world. Thanks to the atomic bomb, man realised that finally he had the power to destroy the world. This is the subject for Dr. Strangelove. Man realised the futility of war, and the precious nature of life.

Although there are parts within Catch 22 (both the novel and movie) that are hilarious, one must realise that these are funny only to those observing them. Such as when a person slips on a banana peel. We laugh because it is not happening to us. In reality, the whole situation is hopelessly bitter. The funny acts that the characters do are their way of coping.

Also, a few people haven mentioned that the movie goes from very funny to very serious in almost a blink of the eye. In particular, the last thirty minutes or so, while Yossarian is in Rome. For anybody who has read the novel, the story goes very much this way, especially whenever mentioning Snowden. Personally, I think that the fact that it goes from funny to serious so quickly adds to the whole desperation of the situation. Also, the last few chapters of Catch 22 have very little humour in them at all. There are a few places for a chuckle, but for the most part it deals with Yosarrian's feeling of alienation and hopelessness.

Essentially, a black comedy shows the amusing side of very serious issues, such as death. Once again, for those within the situation, it is not particularly funny or amusing. Only those watching find a black comedy funny.

Also, as this is a black comedy, slap stick kinda guys like Owen Wilson or Ben Stiller would be horribly miscast. For what they do, they're good, but their over-the-top antics would just ruin the seriousness of the story.

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<<Also, as this is a black comedy, slap stick kinda guys like Owen Wilson or Ben Stiller would be horribly miscast. For what they do, they're good, but their over-the-top antics would just ruin the seriousness of the story.>>

I thought that the original cast was terrific, that Mike Nichols did a great job, and that this film just should not be remade.




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TV miniseries now on the way: https://moviechat.org/tt5056196

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This movie should be remade simply because the court scene from the book, easily the funniest scene in the damn thing, was left out in the original movie. In fact I think all the stuff from when they were in training was left out of the movie. I have to go back and read it and see it again.

The Wilsons could both do well amoungst the supporting cast and you could probably find a place for Stiller too. I think alot of you have bad opinions of these three because alot of the films they've been in have been over the top style slapstick comedy but they have all demonstrated some range and ability to play Black Comedy (uhhh The Royal Tenenbaums? am I going to get flamed for saying that?). I could see Vaughn or Ed Norton doing Yossarian as well as Arkin did and Arkin did it great. Norton is a bit small but if he played it right he could look big, he managed to look big in American History X or at least make his size not matter. My biggest problem with the film is the stuff that got left out. Doing it as an HBO mini series might be a good idea to remedy that. Or maybe even cut it into two parts somehow and release it as two films. That would actually irritate the hell out of me but not as much as leaving out some of the best material from the book altogether.

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I think that Paul Thomas Anderson would make a great film version of Catch-22. He has the ability to be hilarious and depressing (much of the time simutaneously.) He's also a very thorough film maker and isn't afraid to let his movies run 3+ hours unlike the Nichols/Henry combo.

Plus, I would love to see John C. Reilly play any character in the book.

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Which court scene are you reffering to?

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Charile Kaufman should write the script with nic cage as yossarin. But to be honest I really enjoyed the original, and think it deserves better than 7.

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While I agree that this movie has faults,compared to some others it is brilliant.One of the problems with modern remakes is the use of CGI for flying scenes(they never look good!!!),these older movies have real aircraft flying.
The actors in older films tend to have more personality/presence,modern movies rely too much on special effects and over dramatising whilst using pretty lightweight actors!
Joseph Heller was operational aircrew on B25's(Navigator I think!!)
I personally think that the first half of the film is absolutely brilliant
but that it sort of loses its way a bit after that.

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SOmething that really got me about the book, is how it went from complete innocence for the first few hundred pages, to utter darkness for about 100, back up in the end. The movie, it really didn't capture that feeling. The part where kid sampson (n the book) gets cut in half is supposed to be the beginning of the downfall, but after that scene, the fun just kept going! The 'dark' scenes they did include just weren't enough, or arranged in the right way, to get that feel to them.
The beauty of it, for me, is the contrast between fun-dark-fun again.

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I guess it’s not really a court scene but Clevenger is on trial in front of the Action Board which is chaired by a fat bloated colonel with the big fat mustache. Lieutenant Scheisskopf brought the charges, is sitting in judgment of him as a member of the Action Board, is the prosecuting officer and the officer defending Clevenger.

It starts around page 84 in the printing I have with “Actually, no one but Lieutenant Scheisskopf really gave a damn about the parades…” and goes to the end of the chapter. The dialog is great.

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