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I'll watch Topaz on my deathbed!


When I was a kid at school our English teacher told us she'd read every single play by Shakespeare.

Except one.

She'd deliberately never read The Life and Death of King John because she didn't like the idea of going through life without a "new" Shakespeare play to discover.

When I started getting into Hitchcock in my teens, I vowed I'd see every feature of his (even The Mountain Eagle if I could find it!!). When I'd seen a good many of them I remembered my English teacher and decided, like her, I should leave something for later. Naturally, I wasn't going to miss out on an important classic. So Topaz, widely regarded as a relatively minor effort, seemed as good a choice as any for my "rainy day" Hitchcock movie.

Since then, I've seen the rest (a very high proportion on the big screen - thank you BFI Southbank). And that includes things like Mary, the silent version of Blackmail and Dial M For Murder in 3-D. Today, Topaz is the only Hitchcock feature that I've never seen.

So...still looking forward to checking it out eventually. Got a lovely DVD of it, just waiting! I'm not expecting great things, so hopefully it won't be too much of a let-down. Who knows? I might even decide it's one of my favourites! I'll let you know in about...ooh....40 years' time.

50, if I'm lucky.

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Well, better holding off on "Topaz," than "Psycho."

Because you''d want to see "Psycho" twice.

I like to say that "Nobody likes Topaz except Vincent Canby and me."

Vincent Canby was a New York Times film critic who started in the late sixties and stayed a few decades. The title of his review was:

"Topaz: Alfred Hitchcock at His Best."

This came amidst a lot of reviews that rather cruelly dumped on the film. "Time" Magazine opened its unsigned review like this:

"If the dead were to come back to life, what would you do with them?"-- Alfred Hitchcock. You'd call it "Topaz."

Anyway, Canby put "Topaz" on the Top Ten List of the New York Times movies of 1969, and Universal put that in all the "Topaz" print ads(the movie and the Top Ten list came out about the same time, in December 1969. )

I, too, believe that "Topaz" is Alfred Hitchcock at his best...even if individual scenes, lines, and performances are Hitchcock at his worst. But the greater subsumes the lesser..."Topaz" is one of the last chances to see a true master at work, and he is doing it in a year(1969) that had a whole lotta countercultural crap(I'm looking at you, "Easy Rider", but that hit WAS the best of THAT bunch) to go with an admitted group of classics (The Wild Bunch and Midnight Cowboy chief among them.)

So I think you'll have a good time with "Topaz" in 50 years. If you do, look me up here.

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I have to agree with you. I saw the movie again after wathinch it 3 years ago, and then I hated it. Now I could appreciate all the Hitchock touches : ) But still, it has it's flaws with too much boring conversations.

As with Vertigo, repetead viewing is necessary.

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I like Topaz. Hitchcock himself was dissatisfied with the final script. But he put so many great scenes in the film.

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I watch "Topaz" once a year. With about 40 other Hitchcock films, I don't.
But there is a twist:

I actually saw it in a theater, so I'm reliving personal memories of a personal time.

Movies can be like that.

As I may have mentioned, it was in a great big old Palace Theater(on its last legs AS a movie theater) and the lobby was festooned with huge photos of Hitchocck and displays on tables of the recently published Hitchcock/Truffaut interview book.

In those final years of the Hitchocck career, Universal decided(rightly) to play up Hitchcock's recent lionization by Truffaut and others as a Great Auteur. No longer was Hitchcock to be promoted as "that funny guy on television." We were to consider him a master of cinema.

That promotional approach ALMOST got "Topaz" across the finish line as a reputable hit in 1969, despite its flaws.

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Hmm...you people are making me half-regret choosing Topaz!

I probably should've plumped for Juno and the Paycock or Waltzes from Vienna instead, but I saw those movies many years ago (during a National Film Theatre season of early Hitchcock) because at the time it seemed too good an opportunity to pass up (they might be on DVD now, but they certainly weren't available on VHS back then!).

I'm not old enough to have seen a Hitchcock film on it's initial release (I think, aged 10, Family Plot would've been a bit beyond me), but some of my earliest encounters with Hitchcock were on the big screen, when five of his films were re-released in 1983 (http://www.hitchcockwiki.com/wiki/The_Times_(15/Nov/1983)_-_Return_of_ the_missing_Hitchcocks).

I went to see all five, and I've always been happy that my first experience of seeing films that included Rear Window and Vertigo were in the cinema. I should add that I knew nothing of their plots and so saw them completely "fresh". I wish I could say the same of Psycho, which I first saw on TV (I've seen it in the cinema since) and which, due to its fame, unfortunately held no surprises for me plot-wise.

Anyway, yes, Topaz. Looking forward to it just that little bit more, now!

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One of the keys to the longevity of Hitchcock's career is how many different generations were exposed to those films:

There were the original audiences of the 30's, 40's, 50's.

Then came the Sixties Boomer Kids(in America, at least) who got a massive rush of Hitchcock pictures on the weekly network movies(NBC, CBS, ABC) that were watched by millions in an era without cable and multiple channels and movie viewing options.

The Seventies brought a mix of generations, and a mix of venues in which to SEE Hitchcock pictures: TV, colleges, revival houses, and with a coupla of new releases(Frenzy and Family Plot), the multiplexes.

In the early seventies, Hitchcock pulled those famous five, including all four Jimmy Stewart Hitchcocks, and within those, two candidates for the Greatest Hitchcock Movie ever made(Rear Window and Vertigo.) Hitchcock was sly and merciless in doing that: he ensured that he would be a Big Name, with Big Hit movies....after he DIED!

In the eighties, the "Hitchcock Five" came back, VHS and cable made sure that practically ALL Hitchcocks were in heavy rotation, and the 80's also saw "Psycho II and III" and a brief revival of "Alfred Hitchcock Presents"(hosted BY HITCHCOCK, in his old intros -- colorized!)

The 90's brought "Psycho IV," "The Birds II," and remakes of "Psycho," "Rear Window" and "Dial M for Murder." Most of those, you could see in a theater.
"Vertigo" was restored for 70mm re-release in 1996, and "Rear Window" got the same treatment to open the 21st Century with a 2000 release.

Bottom line: Hitchcock has stayed important, entertaining and RELEVANT for decades now. He's arguably got more fans since he died than when he was alive(world population growth; the proliferation of cable and video). And so many of those fans have still been able to see at least some of his works on the big screen.

Which reminds me:

One problem about waiting for "Topaz" til your deathbed: it is rumored that since "Topaz" has such a lousy reputation in the Hitchcock canon, Universal will take no steps to preserve it, let alone restore it. Given the long life I hope you have, "Topaz" just might not EXIST then.

Sorry.

Or as Hitchcock said to somebody fretting about something to do with one of his movies:

"Why worry,old boy? Within a hundred years, the film this was shot on with crumple into cornflakes, anyway."



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I certainly hope that Universal's rumoured intention to let Topaz fade away is not true. I too have something of a soft spot for Topaz. It took me a few years to find a copy (the 1999 VHS release of the Universal Hitchcock collection included Topaz but that film seemed to disappear almost immediately and at that point (my very early teens) I was only just becoming absolutely obsessed with cinema, had only recently experienced my first Hitchcock picture and was gradually beginning to work my way through them and, of course, had to rely on pocket money to buy up my collection which meant it took rather a long time!

When the DVD version of the Hitchcock collection came out I immediately bought Mr and Mrs Smith and Topaz - two Hictchcock pictures I had spent years waiting to see and which I had read almost exclusively negative reviews for. I enjoyed Topaz immensely. While it had some obvious flaws, I thought that the characterisations were well developed (certainly more so than Torn Curtain), the cast was fresh and original (Truffaut's influence in the largely European casting was obvious), it was the first of Hitchcock's films since The Birds (or arguably since Vertigo or North by Northwest) to be truly interesting visually (there are several sequences from Topaz that stick in my mind and which encourage me to return to the film over and over in a way that just doesn't happen with either Marnie or Torn Curtain, although that said I do like both of those films to differing degrees). I also found it interesting to compare Topaz to the films Hitch had made in England in the late thirties - the other spy thrillers like Secret Agent and The Lady Vanishes. In some respects I considered that it was a return to his roots. In many ways it was the beginning to Hitchcock's last great peak and a sequence of films that all did something new but also looked back to his roots. The next film was Frenzy which was a physical return to England and to real thrillers (it even has the transfer of guilt theme) and with Family Plot he returned to the comedy-thrillers he'd developed in the thirties and, notably, the fifties. So while it is not perect, Topaz is infinitely better that its reputation would suggest and, I think, one of the more important films of Hitchcock's time at Universal.

As to the OP you certainly have more nerve than I do. I couldn't resist watching any of his films no matter how poor the reputation. And it must be said that a number of the least popular Hitchcock pictures are actually rather good and deserving of critical re-evaluation.

"There are three sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth." ~ Robert Evans

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Topaz (1969) also has some of the best scenes in the history of cinema. The death of Juanita de Cordoba, the scene where Mendozas says Juanita de Cordoba to Rico Parra (John Vernon), and Theresa Hotel Sequence.

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Don't regret choosing TOPAZ as one to watch later, because it is not a good Hitchcock film. It is a minor work and will never be more than that. It just isn't possible for Hitchcock to be so unhappy with having to do this film to have it come out well. Plus the fact that the script wasn't ready until the last minute, and there were three endings to decide between, and the actors abviously look like the got their scripts at the last minute too, and the better actor is in a lesser role, and so on.

Most of what has been criticized about this film is pretty true. There are moments of Hitchcock's brilliance, but very few and far between. It mostly comes off as a rather routine spy melodrama of the period. Some people think that because it isn't typical Hitchcock, that it deserves more recognition, but it really doesn't. We want to see Hitchcock doing what he does best, not just another ordinary movie. Seems like he was saving up for FRENZY.


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I like Topaz. So does Leonard Maltin it would appear.

"Some men will say we are traitors. Some will say we're patriots. Both will be wrong."

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Yes, I'd bet that "Topaz" will be shown a lot more often over the years than "Easy Rider" will. Even Hitchcock's lesser films have enough of the master's touch to make them worth seeing more than once. This one tends to be a bit more cerebral than most, with a lot of dialog, so it may not appeal as much to today's short-attention-span crowd. But for someone like me, who was 12 during the Cuban missile crisis and living in the Wash., D.C., metro area (my father was in the Kennedy administration), it is entertaining partly because of its verisimilitude. For me, it brings back the Zeitgeist in an almost nostalgic way.

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-- it will be a blessing!

Here's hoping you never have to watch it for years and years.

filmklassik

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Ha, ha.

(My generation's "LOL.")

I heart Topaz.

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Did you ever see the German version of Murder!? Hitchcock filmed an English version and a German version at the same time, with different actors. I think that is the rarest film, other than the Mountain Eagle. I knew that Blackmail went out as a silent and a talkie, but I didn't know the silent title was Mary. Interesting.

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Topaz has some beautiful sequences: The Murder of Juanita De Cordoba is a poem on celluloid..A murder like the blooming of a violet flower..Truly Hitchcockian!

Secondly, the tortured spies in a pose like "Pieta"..

The stealing of the Documents...I think you should watch the film at one..Any way its a better film than Torn curtain..Except for that Murder scene, torn curtain would have been the worst Hitchcock

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Topaz might be one of my very favorites. It's got the great Frederick Stafford giving a cool performance, Claude Jade from Truffaut's Antoine series looking like a young Grace Kelly, and some memorable moments. When I was young I was sort of frustrated by it's talkiness but it actually has stuck in my mind throughout the years, and I find myself often rewatching it. I'm a huge fan of the Euro-Spy films that came out in the sixties, and for me this Hitchcock's Euro-Spy film (as "Alphaville" is Godard's). I really don't understamd why this film rates so lowly for Hitchcock, I actually am more eager to rewatch this film then "The Man Who Knew Too Much" (w/ Jimmy Stewart) or even "The Birds." But maybe it's not everybodies cup of tea, but I feel this film is Hitchcock's bona fide cult film that is highly underrated. I know that many didn't like Frederick Stafford's performance but I think it's perfect. Sadly not many have seen his great OSS 117 films.

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I saw Topaz for the for the first time last night, I was surprised as I thought Topaz was a jewel theft movie !
I loved it, Can't wait to see it again, How close the world came to Nuclear war,
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Topaz is a superb motion picture . . . it's all in the interpretation . . . suprbly done . . .

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What if you don't die in bed, Max?

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I think Max should see it before he reaches that extreme state . . .

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The priest will have to wait until he's done watching the movie...and rightly so.

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Recently decided to work my way through Hitchcock's films backwards, starting with Family Plot. I have to say that while Topaz isn't as good as the two classics I'd already seen, "North By North-west" and "Psycho", I've found that it's the best of the final three.

"Frenzy"'s rape scene was, in my view, ruined by the practically comical "tongue sticking out death" at the end along with the decision to show her death by pausing the footage. There was some great work in that film, particularly the scene where the camera slowly backs up out of the house and into the street, but a lot of it was goofy. (Though admittedly I quite liked the gag with the inspector whose wife is preparing fancy French cuisine, even if I reckon the execution of those scenes could have been a little better.)

"Family Plot" is quite fun and has some of the old magic, but overall it is just too goofy, particularly the "wow, you've really got magic powers" ending. Seriously...

"Topaz"'s main flaw, to my mind, was that you have a bunch of characters who all have French as their first language speaking English for no good reason. However, the plot and the way it is built up was really good and I really enjoyed it. The opening where the family are being pursued by their handlers, eh? What a fantastic start! Not the best in terms of Hitchcock's career, I'll agree. But of the final three Hitchcock movies? Definitely the best out of that selection.

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I'm blaming Universal for the failure of all three . . . there all good movies, and yes, Toopaz could've been super great it done right . . .

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""Family Plot" is quite fun and has some of the old magic, but overall it is just too goofy, particularly the "wow, you've really got magic powers" ending. Seriously..."

I thought the cheeziest thing about Family Plot were the ham-fisted attempts at sexual edginess. Like George telling Blanche why he doesn't want to stay the night...

"Honey, I'm too pooped to pop!"

I'd imagine twentysomethings at the time got a bit of a chuckle at that. Still, taken on its own slightly anachronistic terms, the film works.

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