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Loved the movie, hated the song 'Jean'


Loved the movie. Loved the story and the performances were perfect. Who decided to use Rod McKuen's 'Jean?' It's too sentimental and romantic. "Jean, Jean, you're young and alive?" Jean Brodie wasn't young, that's one of the issues in the story. She's clinging to the idea that she can stay 'in her prime' as long as possible. And the story is not about her romantic adventures. Her affair is one strand of the plot.

"And run, if you will to the top of the hill ... Bonnie Jean." That sounds like it was ripped off from the musical 'Brigadoon.'

I'm sure it sold a million copies, and I guess that was the point.

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I agree with you on the song being so wrong for it if you listen to the words. But the melody was haunting and does fit the final scene very well.

I knew the song before the movie because I lived with people who were crazy about Rod McKuen's songs that were sometimes just his sappy poems said to music.

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I always thought his music was better than his poetry.

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I loved them both!

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I think it`s a beautiful song and fit the movie quite well. She was young and alive, probably her mid 30`s. It also had a haunting melody.

P.S. He called her "Bonnie" Jean because the story is set in Scotland.

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I'm a little confused by this topic. The lyrics are not sung or heard anywhere in the film, only the instrumental melody was used. The song became a big hit for 'Oliver' after the film was made.

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As I remember, the song is sung at the end of the film, as the girls are leaving school at the end of term and over the end credits, at least in the TV versions I've seen.

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I've just watched the entire film on DVD and the lyrics are never sung at all in this film. It's only instrumental. I also believe that "bonnie" as in "bonnie lass" means pretty girl from watching Gordon Jackson as the butler, Hudson, in every episode of "Upstairs, Downstairs" about a million times. Love him in both this film and that series, as well as in "The Shooting Party."

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They ran the film on TCM tonight, and they DID play the Rod McKuen song with lyrics at the ending. While "young and alive" might seem like a stretch when applied to the character Miss Brodie, Maggie Smith was only about 35 when this was made.

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Maybe TCM is responsible for adding McKuen, but the end credits aren't long enough for the whole song.

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That's the way I remember it as well, angela. Might not have been the full version, but enough to pick out those sappy lyrics.



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Didn't get to see the whole movie but the song makes me cry since my middle name is Jean and some people try to embarrass me by serenading me with that song. I try to tell them to stop and they won't...LOL....

Can't touch this........

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it's "bonnie"...meaning "pretty".

RIP Heath Ledger 1979-2008

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To the original poster -- Have you ever heard of "irony?" Yes, Jean Brodie is losing her youth and beauty, and with it, her ability to control others, but that's the point. I'm no fan of Rod McKuen, but the song "Jean" is beautiful and complements the film with bittersweet irony.

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."
... "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"

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I get that the lyrics were deliberately ironic but his vocals are too wistful as is the melody (which I find sickly) to make the ending haunting, though the final shot of Sandy with the narrative by Jean is very effective. I don't think the song fits the film at all.

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To the original poster -- Have you ever heard of "irony?" Yes, Jean Brodie is losing her youth and beauty, and with it, her ability to control others, but that's the point. I'm no fan of Rod McKuen, but the song "Jean" is beautiful and complements the film with bittersweet irony.

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yes correct, but maybe "satire" is the better word.

Jean Brodie is a fraud and the movie is about how one "virtuous gal" was able to spot her from the start and STOP her.

first one was when Sandy forces her to say "do as I say, not as I do".

final was when Brodie admonishes Sandy for acting like Caesar and Sandy says "but you claim to be an admirer of Caesar - good evening"

given the whole movie is so utterly clever [even to the point of PROPHESYING the rise (but no fall) of Germaine Greer the following year], I think we were meant to see the words "run as you will to the top of the hill" as reflecting the fact that at 18 [same as for Angela in the resultant American Beauty] had GOT to 18 and had missed her Wild Oats.

that is to say Hugh was purely a figment of her romantic/tragic FACADE she built around herself, which only Sandy [and Teddy and Miss McKay of course] were able to see through, but only Sandy being able to STOP.

so Sandy asks Teddy how long he will salivate over her body and he says "when you are 18 and OVER THE HILL" - ie much more than a throw away line but reflected in the song as what HAPPENED to Jean.

Sandy [and we can almost call her Lolita] on the other hand was cool enough to not only GET her wild oats [with an older man] but be in CONTROL of the situation, and wow did she shove that down Jean's throat.

the line "neither of us wanted him for his mind" was priceless.

so the song plays up front as we are introduced to this devious but pathetic woman riding her bike to school with her painting "to protect her" and the false COMPOSURE on her face, beaming out at everyone.

the bottom line was the female on female "staring down" contests and we saw that Jean always WON with Miss Mc Kay, but Sandy simply keeps staring at Jean till she cracks and loses her all important composure.

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hi,
I haven't read further enough into this thread to know whether or not someone has already brought this up, but I just want to point out that I don't think the song is supposed to reflect what life really is, but only what life is to Jean Brodie. After all, one of the points of her character is that she suffers from many illusions and doesn't really see things as they are, but as she wants them to be. So, the romanticism of the song is not supposed to reflect the movie as being romantic, but rather the character of Jean is being romantic -- that she was. The song is supposed to elicit insight into the character, not the other way around. So, in that sense, I think the song fits perfectly. And, I for one thought it sounded great too! And, the music behind the song was like perfect! <3

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I was a teenager at the time and thought it was kind of a lovely song. But my dad HATED it. Every time we were in the car and it came on the radio, he'd curse loudly and change the station.

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In the original version of the movie, the song was sung during the final credits. In the tape and DVD versions, it is only heard instrumentally even there.

I suspect that Arthur Greenslade, who arranged the score (and, in my opinion, deserves the lion's share of the credit for its effectiveness), also had reservations about the song. Note how he derails it at the first entry of Miss Mackay (as she eventually derails Brodie).

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Funny, because I just watched the DVD and it has the lyrics during the final credits...just the first two verses, however, no refrain.
Did later DVDs edit out even that?

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Evidently. On my copy, the tune is heard only instrumentally. (It does have the commentaries of Ronald Neame and Pamela Franklin. Does yours?)

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I noticed Pamela Franklin's name but not Ronald Neame's.
I think the closing five minutes of this movie is as dramatic as anything I've seen.

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Have you listened to the commentary? That would tell you.

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I haven't yet.

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Originally, the first few lines of the song were sung by Rod McKuen during the end credits. However, on the DVD it is only an instrumental. This probably had something to do with the music rights.
As for the whole song not being used, it was not uncommon to do this. Mrs. Robinson, for example or 'I Just Called to Say I love you from The Woman in red. In the latter the song the latter is barely heard or used but with added lyrics went on to win the Oscar.

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Thank you for your reply. I saw the movie in 1969 and after watching Maggie Smith in The Lady in the van and Downton Abby I wanted to see and revisit The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. I got the DVD from the Library. I was disappointed that the song Jean was not sung on the DVD. I wondered why. I also thought that it might be due to the music rights. I did not remember that only the first few lines were sung during the end credits. You answered my question.

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