the only pig is the filmaker


how dare this film protray our vetrans as liars

liberals are known to make films & lie so not fall into this trap


GOVERMENT SHOULD BAN PERSONAL LIFES

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Liberals are known to lie and not Republicans!?


I noticed that you tried to compare Liberals and Republicans, But Liberals are not a Political Party like Republicans are, it's an Ideology or Philosophy and they can be either Democrat or Republican, but they usually are Democrat. So, I think it would be better to compare a Liberal to a Conservative. Liberals are those Anti-Military Fools and Hippie Freaks that spat on our Brave Soldiers when they came home after Vietnam, called them names and accused them all of doing crimes and they did all this without any proof... Conservatives are those Patriotic, Red-Blooded Americans that welcomed Those Brave Soldiers home, thanked them for their service and apologized to them for all the Vile, Disgusting Liberals Freaks that shame this great Country everyday.... By the way, today's Liberals are the ones that Protested the Iraq War all during Bush's presidency, calling our Soldiers Murders, but now that Obama is president, they have mostly become silent, to help their own Liberal agenda... Their Ideology and Philosophy are still just as Vile and Disgusting as it was 30 years ago.....

Bill Steward

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UH UH UH UH UH UH UH UH ...........................

AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.................... I love that!

Here's another Yank who likes to reduce the whole History of mankind into simple uber-moronic dicotomies like Liberal vs Conservative, Republican vs Democrat, Obama vs Bush, Atheist vs Believers and so on and on ....................

How very noble and patriotic of you to mention "Anti-Military Fools and Hippie Freaks that spat on our Brave Soldiers when they came home after Vietnam" conveniently forgetting tiny insignificant details (for you that is) like, for example, that the vast majority of those anti-Vietnam protesters, and decisively the fiercest ones came right from within the ranks of those who were militarily involved in the war, that by the late sixties, insubordination, self-wounding, verbal and physical attacks to superiors and fellow army companions were pretty much an everyday occurance.

HO YES! Platoon might be fiction but it's certainly not science-fiction as around 1/3 of those 58.000 US soldiers lost in Vietnam where actually shot by US bullets and bombs, most by mistake but a lot not so much and that's A FACT pal, so get over it. And let's not even count the wounded and scarred.

THANK GOD I'M NOT AN AMERICAN!!!!!!!!!!
(Truly nothing personal guys: I love America overall, it's just that I find it much more fun watching you guys bickering at each other and the rest of the world, from the outside! You really crack me up, really!!!! Please keep coming, seriously, it's much more fun reading your stuff on the web than watching Hollywood garbage, nowadays !)

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conveniently forgetting tiny insignificant details (for you that is) like, for example, that the vast majority of those anti-Vietnam protesters, and decisively the fiercest ones came right from within the ranks of those who were militarily involved in the war, that by the late sixties, insubordination, self-wounding, verbal and physical attacks to superiors and fellow army companions were pretty much an everyday occurance.

To say that the vast majority of Anti-Vietnam Protesters were returning soldiers is false... I do agree that many returning soldiers were protesters but not the vast majority... There was a draft during that war and thus many Liberals were drafted, those individuals that would never have signed up for the military in the first place. That's why I hate the Draft, you always want the "cream of the crop" in the military, not the "bottom of the barrel". I was in the military and a majority of those serving in the Military are Conservative or Republican... Also, I didn't "Conveniently" leave that fact out, as you suggested, I merely divided the population into two groups, (Patriotic and Non-patriotic)... Just as you pointed out, just because they went to Vietnam doesn't mean they were good patriotic citizens doing what they thought was right because they could have been drafted and forced to go... We have a current sitting Senator (John Kerry) who was an officer in Vietnam for a few months and when he came back he tossed his metals over a fence during an Awards Ceremony and did many interviews where he said that the Soldiers in Vietnam were Murderers, it should be noted that he is also a democrat, no surprise... I stand by all my original comments and nothing you said in your comment did anything to discredit my original comments. If anything, they only further strengthened my comments by proving that the same evil element that was causing much of the trouble in Vietnam, is the same evil element that is ALWAYS causing the trouble here in the US and that's the LIBERALS... Liberals are self-centered, self-righteous and small-minded individuals and they have ruined every Great Nation in history, ultimately rotting it from the inside out.... They are currently trying to destroy the US but it won’t happen, we won’t let them… Oh, by the way, I too thank God every day that people like you are not Americans, we have far too many mindless Liberals now and we don’t need any more, Thanks you….

Bill Steward

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UH UH UH UH UH UH UH UH ........................... []

...well what can I say, mate! You are the perfect embodiment of that virtue I love most about Americans: 100% commitment. Even though in this case is the sort of commitment that makes you sound and look like a total idiot, I truly admire your courage.
I love you Bill, seriously, hope we'll chat more in the future if you don't mind. Thanks for further enforcing my views too, all over your statements.
Now here comes a breakdown:

To say that the vast majority of Anti-Vietnam Protesters were returning soldiers is false... I do agree that many returning soldiers were protesters but not the vast majority...

Well that's true, that was a bit of overstatement from me, since they were not in terms of mere numbers, although they certainly would have been if those who were actually drafted and WENT to Vietnam were a good percentage of US population and not just the tiny minority they were

There was a draft during that war and thus many Liberals were drafted, those individuals that would never have signed up for the military in the first place. That's why I hate the Draft, you always want the "cream of the crop" in the military, not the "bottom of the barrel". I was in the military and a majority of those serving in the Military are Conservative or Republican...


..............ho really!?!!!!!!!! And can I ask you why they had to resort to the Draft? Couldn't it be because there was not enough "cream of the crop" like you, willing to make the last sacrifice for their country and simply there was not a chance in the world of winning without those extra numbers? What a shame that, despite the fact that Conservative or Republican are a majority in the States, only a tiny minority of white "Red Blooded Americans" is dumb enough to actually get involved in doing the dirty job. And I also wonder how come since the GWB administration, the Army has gone into a massive campaign to recruit Americans of ethnic minorities, especially Hispano-Mexicans, in their ranks, so much that they would probably out-number the 'whities' in the next few decades.
I wish they had more people in America like John Wayne.............. ho no, wait a moment!....... now I remember: he was a total douchebag who never actually fired a single shot for his country in WW2, while people like fellow actor Jimmy Stewart, who really got shot at, weren't so keen on the little nazi's "patriotic" views.
Sorry my fault, I picked the wrong example there, let me try again now: George W. Bush?................ Ho no!!!! Sorry, wrong again......... Dick Cheney? Bugger......... I rather stop now.
It's true that the majority of people in the army are conservatives, that is a worldwide thing, sad thing is that being in the army does not necessarily make you a better "patriot" that someone who isn't: it merely guarantees you to be someone who lives off tax-payers money (the term "soldier" comes from Latin soldatum="he who gets paid for") and who does strictly what he's told, even if the orders comes from the random democratically-elected puppet of turn, serving his and his own kind short-term political goals, whom couldn't care less about the long term effects of such actions or your views on patriotism.
If you don't understand the plain fact that the Vietnam war was a no-win situation from day one, regardless of how many Republicans, Liberals or wannabe Rambos you had in the army, suit yourself pal, keep living in the la-la land, as you wish.

Also, I didn't "Conveniently" leave that fact out, as you suggested, I merely divided the population into two groups, (Patriotic and Non-patriotic)...

Yeah mate, that's exactly what I was talking about earlier: Liberal vs Conservative, Republican vs Democrat, Obama vs Bush, Atheist vs Believers......... and now thanks for adding "Patriotic and Non-patriotic" to the list of what is technically called:
"pseudo-political bulls**t discourse based around cliche` dicotomies expressed by someone who is so frustrated by his/her lack of understanding on the complex dynamics in human relations and uncapable to take responbility for what's positively lacking in his life, therefore acting by dividing the world in two simple categories and favourably fitting him/herself into the 'good' one",
if the above was too hard to understand, here's a quick translation: "you and whoever thinks like that, is, in all substance, massively full of s**t".
Shall we continue with this game? Black against white, man vs. woman, left against right, Muslim vs. Christian, Capitalism vs Communism, Good/Evil.............. c'mon, I'm sure you know plenty of these...

Just as you pointed out, just because they went to Vietnam doesn't mean they were good patriotic citizens doing what they thought was right because they could have been drafted and forced to go...

See above, thanks for proving me right.

We have a current sitting Senator (John Kerry) who was an officer in Vietnam for a few months and when he came back he tossed his metals over a fence during an Awards Ceremony and did many interviews where he said that the Soldiers in Vietnam were Murderers, it should be noted that he is also a democrat, no surprise...


O that's so sad isn't it? So "he tossed his metals over a fence during an Awards Ceremony and did many interviews where he said that the Soldiers in Vietnam were Murderers"? And why that happened? Of couse ......because he WAS A DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!! Simple, isn't it??????!!!!!!!!
Well let me start by saying I truly don't give a rats arse about those Democrat vs. Republican crap some people are so fond of (like I didn't say enough on the argument) and that personally i couldn't care less about John Kerry, John McCain or any ex vet's political views, just to tell you that I'm approaching this from a strictly OBJECTIVE point of view.
By 'objective' meaning explaining attitudes that are simply HUMANE and not dictated by ideology and pre-judgement. Couldn't it be........... maybe just maybe, that he did what he did beacuse he actually saw the abuse and the torture that was being perpetrated in the name of 'freedom' over there, that he actually realized what un utter waste of resources and lives it was, that's not possible???
Since he was actually being given proper recognition for his service, I presume not for coming out on top of a beauty contest, my guess is that he actually beheaved "patriotically" during his service, that meaning his thoughts about the war might not have been those of a "crazed-peace loving liberal" before and while he was in 'Nam, but after that he went through what is called a "maturing a conscience", a concept that is probably too hard for you to grasp.
But of course, why waste my time explaining here the reality of the human condition to you???????? Isn't it better to keep it all simple? Tortures and human rights abuses never happened: they were just an invention of the Liberal media estabilishment, just like the recent facts at Abu Ghraib in Iraq, we all know that, don't we? And also: ALL of the ex-vet war protesters were Democrats BEFORE and AFTER they went to war, while the supporters were ALL Republicans before and after, isn't it? There were no Republicans protesting the war, am I correct?
Richard Nixon was a fine politician brought down by a Democrat conpiracy .............. ho no! Wait a moment............. he was actually brought down by two journalists working for a paper with strong Republican views!....... Oh bugger, not again........So, who was the real patriot there: Nixon, the master of the 'noble lie', or the Woodward/Bernstein duo? They couldn't be both, could they?

I stand by all my original comments and nothing you said in your comment did anything to discredit my original comments. If anything, they only further strengthened my comments by proving that the same evil element that was causing much of the trouble in Vietnam, is the same evil element that is ALWAYS causing the trouble here in the US and that's the LIBERALS

duh duh duh duh la la la land.......................... keep dreaming, keep dreaming............ you sweet boy
hey mate! Talk about really 'evil' stuff, since I have mentioned US casualities, do you want to know how many Vietnamese were killed during the Vietnam war?
4 millions! That's 4.000.000, or get someone who can translate that for you if you want to make some comparison. Not all by US hands obviously since opposing Vietnamese forces and the French were previously involved in the slaughter effort.
Certain is that those sweet Napalm pills made a big difference in numbers since they did not made much distinction between men, women, childern or elderly while burning huge chunks of jungle.
Dunno, I think I had to mention that since I do feel those [email protected]@ks were human beings after all, despite whatever you might think.
When you mention "trouble in Vietnam" it sounds like you were talking only in terms of American trubles, unless you are also of the opinion that it was only really a bunch of drugged-up liberal soldiers who randomly stole planes to drop bombs on Vietnamese villagers, while stoned off their heads.

Liberals are self-centered, self-righteous and small-minded individuals and they have ruined every Great Nation in history, ultimately rotting it from the inside out.... They are currently trying to destroy the US but it won’t happen, we won’t let them… Oh, by the way, I too thank God every day that people like you are not Americans, we have far too many mindless Liberals now and we don’t need any more, Thanks you….

And that is the last stroke of genious that definitely makes me fall in love with you forever, Mr.Steward: not even the combined efforts of Hegel, Plato, Weber and Descartes can throw so much light on human history as your brilliantly exposed narrative, I hope I shall see volumes of your philosophy quite soon on the libraries of these shores too.
While I have the sneaking suspicion you already think that, here is a list of current American troubles you might want to put blame on "liberals" too (or in case you are a liberal Yank, or any other reading this, just apply it to your pet-hate group of choice, it's the same basically):

- the fact that the national debt is gone up tenfolds in that many years since the turn of the century

- the number of obese people has surpassed those of normal weight. Many of these who already are or will develop it in a morbid condition, will constitute in the future a burden to the health system that even the current Obama administration spending will look like nitpicking by comparison.

- the fact that an average American citizen gives $1.700 a year in taxes to mr Army( official 2008 figures). This is proportionally 4 or 5 times higher than citizens of most other world powers. As far as I am concerned, I don't see much value for money here, looking at the most overpaid, over-stretched and mismanaged army in the hitory of Western civilization.

- The great financial collapse of 2008: a cause of worldwide grief much bigger than those 'military tours' back in Vietnam days or the more recent ones

- the fact that American youths are falling behind many other countries in terms of school learning, especially where key subjects like sciences and maths are concerned

- in America there are, proportionally, more lawyers than anywere else in the world. This might not be bad news per se except........ if you really think about it, lawyers do not really contribute sh*t to the richness of a nation: they are merely there as problem-solvers, and since more lawyers means more legal suits and more legal suits means more money taken off the system, both State and privates, in substance a country that as so many lawyers is a country that has one big fu**ing problem.
If more people are occupied in "milking the system" like this than actually physically work for a living than things are bound to turn sour, just ask those guys in Wall Street.

but I rather not continue with these figures and just ask you a simple question as example, and I am talking to you, YOU yourself mr. Bill Steward, as you seem to think yourself as one of the saviours:
what is your own personal contribuiton to the 'greatness' of America 'til today? Have you recently discovered a cure for AIDS? Found a way to prevent another financial collapse? Have you invented a new product that has actually any use for mankind? Anything else to say except you are essentialy someone who has lives off someone elses taxes and not probably given much in return?
Ask this also to the millions of paisans around you who are wondering how come the thunder has disappeared from the bottom of their asses while they where living in their comfort thinking.
Honestly I am sorry for America mate, I really am, but not too much since we can't really blame anyone here but the one who turns the wheel, the biggest bitch of them all: History, and we know that the cycle never stops. A country that had given us so many great thinkers now it's a breeding ground for sore twats increasingly taking comfort in God or cursing him for the same reasons, but that's all good.

HEY mr.Steward! do want to hear the biggest irony of them all? You believe that liberals "ruined every Great Nation in history", right?
Here is something for you to think about:

once upon a time, more than 5000 years ago, there was a great people called the Sumerians, Assyrians and Babylonians. They were the most ancient civilzations this world has ever seen, the first to create complex irrigation systems, written laws, outstanding works of art and multi-storey buildings among many other great things. This at a time when your ancestors were living in caves, speaking by grunts and no one had ever heard of America.
Now, according to your point of view, liberals intervened and destroyed them, but imagined if they had survived instead???????? Since they were so above anyone else it's unlikely that all the other great empires of the future centuries would exist; Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Ottomans, Persian, British, French etc.
At this day this would mean that America now would be a colony, just a tiny little s**t in the arse of the descendants of that empire. And if you really don't know, that place is now called IRAQ.
Now that is an irony, isn't it? Doesn't almost makes you want to thank "liberals" for once?

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Sorry, Professicchio, but I really hate reading novels on the internet because it hurts my eyes but... I did get the gist of what you were saying... No big surprise, a liberal European disagreeing with a Conservative American, oh my, I hope I'm able to sleep tonight... I'm sure you made some very good points and some liberal will lap it right up, I'm sure. However, I'm fully aware of how things are in MY Country and don't really need to be told how to think, especially from someone that gets all their info from the BBC... Thanks anyway... : ) On a lighter note, Wimbledon has been pretty good this year, at least it hasn't been raining... Didn't see any streakers this year, though... : )

Bill Steward

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..............what was that?
Sorry mate!
Too tired too read your complex narrative, It's hurting my eyes too!

.................... so peace then......

go back and enjoy your FOX comedy show and being a waste of oxigen, bye

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..............what was that?
Sorry mate!
Too tired too read your complex narrative, It's hurting my eyes too!

.................... so peace then......

go back and enjoy your FOX comedy show and being a waste of oxigen, bye []

What A Load Of Codswallop... Bloody Hell, don't throw a Wobbly, have a spot of tea... CHIP CHIP CHEERIO.... Cricket, Anyone? : )

Bill Steward

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TENNIS!!!!!!! It's the Wimbledon final today.

....and I loathe cricket! What kind of stereotype is that.....

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TENNIS!!!!!!! It's the Wimbledon final today....and I loathe cricket! What kind of stereotype is that.....

Yes, Tennis and I'm rooting for Rafa Nadal... What about you...??? " Stereotype"????? No, I was merely being "Cheeky"... : )

Bill Steward

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@bsteward

As a liberal (yeah, I said it), I am so sick and damn tired of Repugnuts like you spouting that tired-ass bulls*** right-wing line that liberals are responsible for EVERY damn thing that's EVER gone wrong with this country (I'm an American, BTW). Especially since it was partly the Republican's fault for letting the real estate market go unregulated (yeah, I know Clinton started the deregulation,but the Republicans could have put a halt to it, but since y'all believe in the free market with NO regulation whatsoever, THAT'S what caused the economy to tank in the first damn place back in 2008). Stop acting like Republicans couldn't have done something over the last decade to prevent this from happening---all they cared about was letting their rich friends make a killing in the market, as opposed to checking them and what they were actually doing, like ripping poor folks off with sub-prime mortgages so that they (the real estate business) could get rich as hell quick off of them, which they did.

I'm not saying that there weren't homeowners who were irresponsible and got in WAY over their heads with a mortgage they know they couldn't afford. But the mortgage companies and real estate businesses are just as cupable because they encouraged a lot of the shady practices that later wound up causing folks to lose their homes.

Another thing---we can b**** all damn day about who the hell is right or wrong, but they are a couple of things that are of more concern than whether who's Repub and who's a Democrat--we need to learn to TALK and DISCUSS our political differences WITH each other, instead of drowning each other the hell out and never listening to one damn thing the other has to say. What the hell good does THAT do when the current Republican candidates can't even lay out a decent plan to start jobs and get the economy going? No, they'd drag up some tired-ass stories about how black people should get off welfare (as if black people never work, go to school, or run their own businesses just like anybody else--that came from those idiots Gingrich and Santorum--who gives a s*** about them?) Funny how no one EVER mentions the fact that at least 37% percent of white folks are on welfare is EVER brought up, because these bastards wouldn't get any damn votes from white folks if they actually had the guts to point that out. Anyway, I'm done!

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bstewerd can't be a real person, I simply don't believe this was a genuine conversation.... hey bstewerd, u out there? theres a whole reality TV series with your name on it..........actually, has Karl Pilkington got any American relatives......?

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Kerry never said any of those words: Baby Killers, rapists, torturers etc on the context spat around by the Bush administration to discredit him. Funny how a bunch of draft dodging chicken hawks like the Bush administration get more credit than a decorated veteran. Testament to the mentality of hard line republicans.

The tape that "Veterans against Kerry" plays shows Kerry at the senate hearing saying:

.... they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan........

What was omitted -- and is usually the case when you hear about this -- is the first part of that sentence which is "They told stories, at times.." Who told stories? That was in the paragraph which preceeded those comments.

quote:I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago, in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit--the emotions in the room, and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

In that testimony, Kerry was not making accusations against soldiers but repeating stories that were told to him by other soldiers.

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"GOVERMENT SHOULD BAN PERSONAL LIFES" (sic)

erm... that sounds like communism to me. Idiotic. Perhaps you should learn to write English?

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"GOVERMENT SHOULD BAN PERSONAL LIFES"


You, mate, are an unmitigated genious that not even Orwell would have dreamed of!
Please get into politics soon..............

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