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this would have been better if it stuck to the real events


They didn't change the names of the victims, but they changed a lot of the stories. Beck and Fernandez are two of the most fascinating 'serial killers' that I have read about, yet they're really not presented that much differently than the media presented them at the time they were apprehended and put on trial. What about Fernandez's various psychoses? What about Beck's messed up childhood and family life? that likely had something to do with why she was so desperate for love that she was willing to kill herself and others for it. In the film she's presented as a pathetic spinster simply sick of her mother. And what about their families? They both had children before meeting each other. It's an ok movie overall, but really sort of irritating when I stop and think about it. Their love and their craziness in the film is never really that believable to me, and that seems to be what the movie hinges on.

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There may be spoilers in this, so there's your warning!

I know nothing about the real killers, but I absolutely loved this movie as a black comedy. I pitied the Martha character and felt her downward spiral was plausible as shown here. Of course this is coming from the standpoint of someone who knows nothing about the real people or real incidents involved in this case. I thought Martha seemed incredibly desperate and crippled by low self esteem. And to be as intensely bitter and caustic as she is, we know she has had a very rough life, even though they didn't give detailed reasons as to why life has left her this way. I thought they did an adequate enough job hinting at this at the beginning, from her short-tempered interactions with the hospital staff to showing a family dynamic that appears unnurturing and basically alien to her (people don't become that estranged/resentful without good reason).

I definitely felt like she loved Ray. The rage and jealousy whenever he was with other women was pretty intense. Hell, she tried to drown herself when she caught him messing around with another woman. Then at the end when she found out for sure he was being unfaithful, she loved him enough to spend the rest of her life in jail instead of seeing him with another women. Plenty of other small moments here and there, plus a lot of the dialogue made me buy into it. Ray was a little more enigmatic. I really didn't pick up on him being someone psychotic (as he may have easily been in real life) but more like a suave sociopathic/remorseless type who will basically do whatever he wants without thinking twice about it (infidelity, theft, murder... whatever!).

I think the filmmakers basically took the skeleton of the true case and then turned it into a black comedy. Personally, I didn't mind that at all because I felt like it was bizarre, often hilarious and frequently disturbing. I LOVED how the victims were portrayed and how each were given these quirks. I found it to be clever. OK, it's borderline tasteless to take tragic real-life murder victims (or just use their names) and turn them into eccentric, often irritating weirdos/shrews. However, I liked this as a change of pace to how saintly murder victims are usually portrayed in these types of films. They might as well slap angel wings and a halo on them most the time. There's really no documentation about how these women behaved in real life anyway, so why not? I especially loved the penny-pinching, neurotic Christian lady. She was hilariously grating, yet when she's pleading for her life you actually did feel sorry for her. Loved that performance, plus the leads and the other women who played the victims, especially that oversexed southern belle who Martha calls "the hottest bitch I ever met" or whatever. I think the dialogue is often great and since I'm a huge fan of black/tasteless humor, I was laughing quite a bit watching this. Laughing and wincing. I've watched this like five times since I bought it a few months ago and it seems to get better with each viewing.

But like I said, it helps I am completely in the dark about the Beck/Hernandez case, so I can enjoy this on its own terms as a work of fiction and not have any expectations about accuracy. If I actually knew more about this story I might not have the same reaction. Definitely a case of ignorance is bliss on my part, I know.


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A splendid posting!; I laughed a lot at your comments!!
That hast to be the greatest line in the film: "Why your'e the hottest bitch I've ever seen!"... LOL

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I just watched this movie for the first time, and I would have to agree with happiestjuice.

I've read a few comments and threads referring to it as "satire" or "black comedy". I honestly didn't see it as one. The old lady was annoying, but that didn't provide any comic relief for me. And after they killed the little girl, that upset me.

It was based on a true story, and to find any humor in it seems disrespectful to the poor, lonely victims.

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<I was laughing quite a bit watching this.>

Are you kidding? If you think this is funny, you'd probably be rolling on the floor at Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.

I can't find humour in violent murders, and this being from an actual case too. The dialog came out of self-absorbed, twisted minds with no regard for human life, only the bizarre lust they had for each other & for their victims' money. I felt no sympathy for the killers.


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Martha killed a child, for cryin' out loud! As for the other victims, the fact that their loneliness made them so guillible to a couple of sociopaths, isn't very funny either. Yes, Janet Fay was annoying & it was a great performance, but I don't think she was intended to be funny so much, as to be pathetically naive & highstrung. Her hysterical pleading for her life was quite sad. She wanted love in her life, and she got this instead. I'm glad you were able to at least feel sorry for her.

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Are you kidding?

Nope. Not at all.

If you think this is funny, you'd probably be rolling on the floor at Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer.

Nope. Henry doesn't make me laugh at all.

I can't find humour in violent murders...

It's only a movie... I certainly don't think the actual murders committed are funny at all, but I certainly can find characters in a movie funny regardless of whether or not they are murdered. Call me sick if you want.

...and this being from an actual case too.

Yes, it was BASED on an actual case. I don't view this as a "true story" as in these victims existed as shown here. I think they were completely, intentionally exaggerated to the point of being somewhat comic. And their interactions with the killers and their schemes were blackly comic to me. Or if you don't like that term, call it "sick humor" if you want.

The dialog came out of self-absorbed, twisted minds with no regard for human life, only the bizarre lust they had for each other & for their victims' money.

Yep, this film is full of pathetic people in one form or another. Like I said, it might be borderline tasteless to portray the victims how they did. That I have already admitted to.

I felt no sympathy for the killers.

I think it's sad anytime anyone is reduced to that kind of monstrous behavior, but naturally I feel more for the innocent victims.

Martha killed a child, for cryin' out loud!

At least the filmmakers were somewhat subtle about it...

As for the other victims, the fact that their loneliness made them so guillible to a couple of sociopaths, isn't very funny either.

No, it's not. In real life. But some of the "quirks" given to the victims in this film were very funny. I laughed.

Yes, Janet Fay was annoying & it was a great performance, but I don't think she was intended to be funny so much, as to be pathetically naive & highstrung. Her hysterical pleading for her life was quite sad. She wanted love in her life, and she got this instead. I'm glad you were able to at least feel sorry for her.

Yes, I ultimately did feel bad for her, as I did for the other victims. But I laughed at that character as shown here before she was killed. I'm not saying any of these victims deserved what happened. I just think they were shown in an amusing light before they were killed is all.

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I am stunned that someone would think this was a "black comedy"!!?? It was a deeply chilling and disturbing movie. Maybe the old lady's hat was a little funny, but overall, the movie wasn't designed to be a dark comedy at all.

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The film is definitely designed to be a black comedy, mocking middle-class values through the lens of these murdering deviants. It does present the victims' fates as horrible things, but it also presents them as caricatures in ways that, as MovieMan notes above, becomes rather cheap and strained.

It's not an easy film for me to to watch, let alone like, but I can't say it's having a laugh about real-life murders.

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The same thing occurred to me. I was not familiar with the story before watching the movie, but afterwards I read an essay on the actual history (included with the Criterion DVD). Apparently Fernandez was into voodoo, believing he had supernatural seductive powers, and Beck was raped as a child and suffered psychotic episodes. As you point out, they both had families too.

In an interview, the writer/director admits he fabricated negative qualities for the victims. Making one a daffy, cheap old lady and another a streotypical America First booster type, is basically pandering to the Leftist social criticism of the time. While the characters are somewhat humorous the trick is cheap & trite, even slanderous.

Actually, I thought the movie was interesting on its own terms, and obviously the author has to choose very carefully what he does and doesn't include. In its own way, the film's story is very focused and including all those fascinating biographical details would have diluted some of its power (although complexity adds its own power). And I give credit where credit's due...the murders are not at all romanticized, and our sympathy is entirely with the victims of the brutal violence (unless you're Marguerite Duras, apparently).

But I do think the broad characterizations of the victims distracts from the films status as a kind of anti-Bonnie & Clyde and plays into the hands of those who would see it as a wacky, countercultural love story (see one of the posters) or some kind of political statement, as if the drowning of a small child was a really hip way to stick it to the bourgeoisie.

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